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Tell it to your elected representative. And I hope to God you guys won't vote for the Liberals in the upcoming election.

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No i won't vote for the liberals. The last federal election i left my card blank and handed it in.

[tylerdurden]

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"You're dodging the first question and ignoring the second question. Are you illegally avoiding your taxes or not?

What are you talking about? I already told you before I "advocate nothing illegal" Everything I do is condoned by the Canada Revenue Agency.

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Everything I read says that in Canada, *professional* gamblers (and you seem to be advocating gambling as the only sensible profession) ARE liable for taxes on winnings, but recreational gamblers are not. Do you declare your gambling income on your tax returns? If it's truly not taxable, there should be no reason not to declare it.

Let's just assume for now that you're OK. Do you still maintain that your receipt of "free" healthcare, paid for by others, is not theft?


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"It is part of the contract that citizens of my country agree too."
"Really? Can I see a copy of it? Who signed it?"

Yeah, its called the Canadian Income Tax Act as put into law by our elected representatives. Look it up on the internet or a local library near you.

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Were those representatives elected unanimously?

Look, I don't have a problem with not wanting to pay taxes. I certainly don't want to pay them. However, I think *everyone* should be free from them. You just want everyone else to pay them so you may benefit.

[Peter666]

Hmm, unanimous decisions in a country of 33 million people...it's so crazy it just might work!..then again, no.

"However, I think *everyone* should be free from them. (Taxes)"

Where did I say that I wanted people to pay taxes? They can do as they wish, and they have chosen to pay taxes by electing representatives that make tax laws. Some people like another poster here have chosen not to vote by leaving their ballot blank. That is fine too. Unfortunately, so long as he and I live in this territory, we have to abide by the rules or lose our freedom. If we don't like it, we can move somewhere else. Our country does not force us to live here.

"You just want everyone else to pay them so you may benefit. (taxes for Health Care)"

Again, you are assuming that I chose my form of health care. I did not. It is part of the rules of the country. I would have chosen my own private health care but I am not allowed to have it here. If I don't like it, I can move. But since the representatives of the people insist that I get free healthcare, I will not make a fuss and humbly take it.

Hmm, looks like I am living the Anarcho-Capitalist dream life within a governmentally structured society. I don't pay taxes, get free presents like health care, and can even marry another man! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[tylerdurden]

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Hmm, unanimous decisions in a country of 33 million people...it's so crazy it just might work!..then again, no.

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Exactly. As long as there are dissenters that have others' wishes forced upone them, there is violation and oppression.

Can you be bound by a contract between two other men, a contract which you didn't see (and were not even aware of) before it was signed?

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"However, I think *everyone* should be free from them. (Taxes)"

Where did I say that I wanted people to pay taxes?

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The "free" healthcare you brag about being the big advantage to living in canada wouldn't exist without others' taxes. By bragging about it, you are saying it's desirable.

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They can do as they wish, and they have chosen to pay taxes by electing representatives that make tax laws.

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SOME have chosen. And again, they can't do "as they wish." Some might wish to have a "regular" job and not pay taxes. Those people can't do as they wish. You can't give people restricted choices and then claim they are "free to do as they wish."

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Some people like another poster here have chosen not to vote by leaving their ballot blank. That is fine too. Unfortunately, so long as he and I live in this territory, we have to abide by the rules or lose our freedom.

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"This territory"? Who has rights to tell you what to do on your property?

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If we don't like it, we can move somewhere else. Our country does not force us to live here.

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Hah! Some bureaucrats' rights to tell you what to do trump your property rights? Why don't they take their government somewhere else?

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"You just want everyone else to pay them so you may benefit. (taxes for Health Care)"

Again, you are assuming that I chose my form of health care. I did not. It is part of the rules of the country. I would have chosen my own private health care but I am not allowed to have it here. If I don't like it, I can move. But since the representatives of the people insist that I get free healthcare, I will not make a fuss and humbly take it.

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I'm sure you could turn it down if it's that much of an imposition on you.

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Hmm, looks like I am living the Anarcho-Capitalist dream life within a governmentally structured society. I don't pay taxes, get free presents like health care, and can even marry another man! [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Dream life? The AC dream does not involve you plundering free stuff from the work of the producers.

You still haven't answered a few questions:

Is it OK with you if I say I'm going to shoot you in the head unless you go plow my field? Hey, you've got a choice not to get shot in the head. It's your choice, right?


Do you declare your gambling income on your tax returns? If it's truly not taxable, there should be no reason not to declare it.

[Peter666]

"This territory"? Who has rights to tell you what to do on your property?

The same authority that recognizes my property as legally mine. If nobody outside of me recognizes this, I have to fight for the property.

"By bragging about it, you are saying it's desirable."

Anything helpful that you can get for free is desirable.

"You can't give people restricted choices and then claim they are "free to do as they wish."

They can move to abandoned territory and do as they wish.

"[Health Care] I'm sure you could turn it down if it's that much of an imposition on you."

I don't have to go to the doctor, but for the sake of my health, it is better for me to do so.

"Is it OK with you if I say I'm going to shoot you in the head unless you go plow my field?"

No. But I better do it or I am dead. When I have the chance, I will end your tyranny by plowing you.

"Do you declare your gambling income on your tax returns?"

That's none of your business, but to satiate your curiosity I declare everything asked of me on the Canadian T1 or T4 tax statement. If I am confused about something I explain the situation to the Canadian Revenue Agency and ask how to proceed.

[tylerdurden]

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"This territory"? Who has rights to tell you what to do on your property?

The same authority that recognizes my property as legally mine.

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Then it's not really yours.

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"By bragging about it, you are saying it's desirable."

Anything helpful that you can get for free is desirable.

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You can get all sorts of free stuff. People just leave cars sitting around in parking lots. I guess they don't want them; do you just take those when you see them?

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"You can't give people restricted choices and then claim they are "free to do as they wish."

They can move to abandoned territory and do as they wish.

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That's a restricted choice.

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"[Health Care] I'm sure you could turn it down if it's that much of an imposition on you."

I don't have to go to the doctor, but for the sake of my health, it is better for me to do so.

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I don't have to eat, but it's good for my health. I'm therefore justified in stealing apples from the market?

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"Is it OK with you if I say I'm going to shoot you in the head unless you go plow my field?"

No. But I better do it or I am dead. When I have the chance, I will end your tyranny by plowing you.

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The people that pay for your "free" healthcare are plowing your field for you. I'm pretty sure a significant number of them would prefer not to, but someone is forcing them to.

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"Do you declare your gambling income on your tax returns?"

That's none of your business, but to satiate your curiosity I declare everything asked of me on the Canadian T1 or T4 tax statement. If I am confused about something I explain the situation to the Canadian Revenue Agency and ask how to proceed.

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OK, I'll give you this point then.

[Peter666]

"You can get all sorts of free stuff. People just leave cars sitting around in parking lots. I guess they don't want them; do you just take those when you see them?"

This will get to the heart of the matter. Ok, I see a car laying around that is not mine. But the keys are inside so I decide to take it. So what? It's mine now, what are you going to do about it?

[tylerdurden]

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"You can get all sorts of free stuff. People just leave cars sitting around in parking lots. I guess they don't want them; do you just take those when you see them?"

This will get to the heart of the matter. Ok, I see a car laying around that is not mine. But the keys are inside so I decide to take it. So what? It's mine now, what are you going to do about it?

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I will reclaim it, possibly employing private security forces, and, if necessary, using force (which will be justified since you initiated force by stealing the car). Then I will bring damage claims against you in a court. Once I get a reputable judgement against you I will proceed to collect damages from any financial institution that holds assets from you.

This is the heart of the matter? I'll give you this much, you're really good at derailing discussion and taking it off into the weeds when you're losing a debate.

[Peter666]

But I don't recognize the authority of the judge you choose, nor fear your security forces because I have my own who are better armed and equipped. What now?

[tylerdurden]

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But I don't recognize the authority of the judge you choose, nor fear your security forces because I have my own who are better armed and equipped. What now?

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If you don't recognize the judge, but most other people do, then most other people (including security forces) are going to assume you're a criminal and not do business with you.

I'll probably assume the car as a loss, and you'll be ostracized in your mountain hideaway. Wow, AC isn't utopian. Good thing nobody ever said it was.

I'm not going any further in this debate because it's been done to death. Go read For a New Liberty to see this exact question driven into the ground.