Question for those who think abortion is not immoral

[Zygote]

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For the sake of argument, let's say not much. She does not be using the money for any necessities.

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Lets assume we can put morality on a sliding scale. Selling the aborted fetus so a pedophile can use it, is a magnitude worse than aborting it.

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I strongly disagree with that. I don't see how killing a fetus could be less bad than using it as a sex toy.

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Well for a long time I didn't have a opinion on abortion. It seemed like both sides had intelligent points. Plus considering I have a cock I didn't really think I was the best person to ask. But recently I came across an article which states that the number 1 reason why violent crime, including murder droped so drastically was the legalization of abortion. You see, abortion laws mainly only affect the poor. And the babies that where born before roe v wade that would have been aborted where at a huge disadvantage in life. They ended up becoming criminals at a high %. It is just terrible to think of prochoice as a crime prevention technique.

It seems that when we let women decide for themselves whether they are fit to raise a child, they make the correct assessment. So I assumed that the women is aborting the child, because she could not provide for it, or live with the option of adoption. It may not be entirely moral, but selling it to a pedophile is just worse in my opinion.

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Whether or not abortion is moral does not depend on the circumstances of the woman (unless her life is at stake of course). It depends on when human life begins. If you believe that abortion is okay if the woman cannot provide for her child, then wouldn't it also be okay for a woman to kill her 3 month old child because she cannot provide for it? Obviously the difference between the two situations depends on how you define life.

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What about the ethical thing to do? What about the law? Our legal system must be logical and consistent and must define the specific laws. You cannot divert this issue by simply saying morals are relative. In fact, morals should be the least important factor when resolving these issues.

[slickpoppa]

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Would it be immoral for a woman to sell her aborted fetus to a pedophile for use as a sex toy? This is a serious question.

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Serious question???

An aborted fetus is about 2" long in total. How big is your dick????

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Why does every internet disussion have to come down to a dick measuring contest? Anyway, if you dont like the original question, how bout this: Insetad of selling the fetus to a pedophile, the woman sells the fetus to Jeffrey Dahmer so he can eat it.

[Jedster]

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Would it be immoral for a woman to sell her aborted fetus to a pedophile for use as a sex toy? This is a serious question.

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Serious question???

An aborted fetus is about 2" long in total. How big is your dick????

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Why does every internet disussion have to come down to a dick measuring contest? Anyway, if you dont like the original question, how bout this: Insetad of selling the fetus to a pedophile, the woman sells the fetus to Jeffrey Dahmer so he can eat it.

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How about this: two weeks after jeffrey dahmer has sex with a woman named Pam she becomes pregant with his child. She knows he is a serial killer and does not want his child brought into the world. She decides to get an abortion. But Dahmer doesn't want her to get an abortion. He goes to the legislature of her state and asks them to ban abortion which the legislature can do because roe v wade was just overturned. Should the legislature side with jeffrey dahmer or the pregnant woman?

Now let's say the legislature sides with the pregnant woman. Should Jeffrey Dahmer kidnap her until she delivers the child? He'd release her after she delivered.

[slickpoppa]

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Would it be immoral for a woman to sell her aborted fetus to a pedophile for use as a sex toy? This is a serious question.

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Serious question???

An aborted fetus is about 2" long in total. How big is your dick????

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Why does every internet disussion have to come down to a dick measuring contest? Anyway, if you dont like the original question, how bout this: Insetad of selling the fetus to a pedophile, the woman sells the fetus to Jeffrey Dahmer so he can eat it.

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How about this: two weeks after jeffrey dahmer has sex with a woman named Pam she becomes pregant with his child. She knows he is a serial killer and does not want his child brought into the world. She decides to get an abortion. But Dahmer doesn't want her to get an abortion. He goes to the legislature of her state and asks them to ban abortion which the legislature can do because roe v wade was just overturned. Should the legislature side with jeffrey dahmer or the pregnant woman?

Now let's say the legislature sides with the pregnant woman. Should Jeffrey Dahmer kidnap her until she delivers the child? He'd release her after she delivered.

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This question would be a lot simpler if Dahmer had just stuck in her pooper

[bocablkr]

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Would it be immoral for a woman to sell her aborted fetus to a pedophile for use as a sex toy? This is a serious question.

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Serious question???

An aborted fetus is about 2" long in total. How big is your dick????

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Why does every internet disussion have to come down to a dick measuring contest? Anyway, if you dont like the original question, how bout this: Insetad of selling the fetus to a pedophile, the woman sells the fetus to Jeffrey Dahmer so he can eat it.

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The point is it is impossible physically to use the fetus as a sex toy.

As far as eating it - would not bother me... At least it is put to good use. Same goes for using the stem cells.

[Jedster]

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This question would be a lot simpler if Dahmer had just stuck in her pooper

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That's what I thought you'd say. Glad to see you're pro-choice!

[sexdrugsmoney]

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The figure I read was something like 70% of boys raised by single mothers have trouble with the law, I can't remember the source or whether it was restricted to mothers raising sons in low socio-economic environments or not, but I've seen my fair share of kids raised the wrong way and what happens to them and pro-choice seems a much better option.

Kids don't ask to be born and too many people have kids unprepared IMHO.


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I'll reach WAY out and assume your numbers are correct. An A7 is a 70% underdog to KK before the flop...does that mean the A7 has no chance? Which is more EV+ to the possibly aborted child:

A) 30% chance of avoiding crime/poverty
B) 100% chance of being dead

I think everyone in this forum would rather walk into life taking the worst of it than having no chance at all.

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Yet how many of those in this forum who would rather walk into life with the worst of it have even seen the worst of it or the 'neighbour' of the worst of it? One must also think of this imact on society as Doug said regarding abortion and crime prevention. (sure some crimes may be minor which they learn from and turn away from that lifestyle, others are major like drug dealing, armed robbery, rape and murder)

Plus although we know we know the origins of life from our P.O.V, we don't know if this 'soul' that is assumed to exist had consciousness or some other kind of 'life' on another level before being placed into a child. (I'm not going to estimate the placement as that brings the hole abortion thing into play etc)

It's all a very messy issue IMHO, but if you remove the concepts of God and Religion, and look only at the humanitarian aspects and stats I think it favours pro-choice myself.

Cheers,
SDM