One for mike l. (You others can read it, too)

[Yeti]

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"bb cold capped. bet/3bet the K22 flop IN A MULTIWAY POT."

california live poker is different. people do wacky stuff just because they want to beat some kid with big hair who raises a lot.

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This made me laugh, lots.

[slavic]

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Are you kidding? I'm not raising the river for fold value.

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i mentioned it for the sake of completeness. the fold better hand % is 0. making the analysis clear... er.

-Barron

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Have you guys ever played with a guy who has the "I'm going to beat that bastard" state of mind? They'll actually look at you and tell you how they are going to beat you, and then they get real imaginative with the hands they are calling or raising with.

Live games are so much more fun.

[Clarkmeister]

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It's not that he doesn't like me; he really just thinks I'm the livest player in the game.

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And you want to cut your hair.

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[Ray Zee]

the bad players arent always the ones that go on raising and calling wars. the ones that are so predictable are the bad players. they just lose slowly for sure. john is no fool but will push the limits of his hand. i would be willing in these spots to go to war on the flop and raise again on the river here. no way are you going to be folded to unless he doesnt have a pair.
sucker is right, as he is certainly one of the best players in all holdem games on these forums. i would pick him as one of my first picks for advice anywhere. mike l. i dont know but he seems mostly right when he analyizes things. just that he plays alot more wild than i would.

if you wont go to war and gamble you are destined to win at a reduced rate in casino poker.

[J.A.Sucker]

He wasn't very happy and made a crying call. MHWG.

This hand was interesting to me because it isn't standard, and that's why I posted it. I don't post standard hands because they don't interest me, so hopefully those guys who are giving me heat for posting situational hands will understand. However, there's tons of money to be made and lost in these situational hands, especially when you play the same guys day in and day out, so they are important.

If my opponents were all pretty normal guys, I'd have to strongly consider folding my hand preflop, though I'd probably call and not like it. I'd also just call the river in these spots.

I never said that John was a bad player. The other two guys were. John is too aggressive, IMO, but it works for him because people don't push back against him enough. His cap preflop meant that he had a good to very good hand, nothing more. He is easily smart enough to realize that the SB was weak and that the UTG guy was dead money. He also knows that I will do whatever it takes to get the pot headsup ASAP. Thus, he is capping anything he's gonna play, since he knows that it will maximize the chances that he'll get the pot headsup with me. He could have any pair, but probably a hand like 7's and up, or two paint.

The raise on the flop was standard, of course. I needed to know if the SB had a monster or if he missed. He'd probably fold QQ here. John knows this, too, and he knows that I will raise AJ or something like this since the pot is so large and I want to take a chance to run it with all that money in the pot. His 3 bet is to take control of the hand, and my range of his hands hasn't really changed too much. I just smooth called because it is fairly likely that he either has air, and is drawing close to dead (2 or 3 outs), or he has a monster, in which case I'm in deep kimchee.

I was going to let him keep firing away, and he will with any kind of decent hand, knowing that I will be forced to call him down with a wide range of hands. Like I said, he's playing 7's through QQ here the same way as AA, KK, or AK.

On the river, I'm raising any card except an A. I liked the Q, since I now beat AK. I don't think I'm going to get raised by AA again, since he knows that QQ or KK would be a possiblity for me as well as a bluff on my part. There is enough money in the pot that I will get all kinds of calls from decent showdown hands, like JJ, from him. If I got reraised, I'd make the crying call. Flame on.

[J.A.Sucker]

Do you think I should have gone something like 6 bets on the flop here or do you like my line better, Ray?

[J.A.Sucker]

Both.

[mike l.]

"His 3 bet is to take control of the hand, and my range of his hands hasn't really changed too much. I just smooth called because it is fairly likely that he either has air, and is drawing close to dead (2 or 3 outs), or he has a monster, in which case I'm in deep kimchee."

see surfdoc i told you this would be the reasoning. it's good reasoning too. nice hand sucker.

[Mike Gallo]

Fantastic post.

Despite what others may have said in this thread, I find your posts awesome, and I always come away with a new point of view.

[fsuplayer]

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Fantastic post.

Despite what others may have said in this thread, I find your posts awesome, and I always come away with a new point of view.

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