Jacked Up?

[nolanfan34]

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I don't know who Mr 780 is

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He's referring to a certain Mexican wrestler, who happened to attend a certain Texas university.

[Ed S.]

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I don't know who Mr 780 is, but why I posted that comment, and what you couldn't be aware of, is that it is poster-specific advice based on knowledge of her play. That is, Pokerbabe isn't doing it to avoid being exploited. She is, by her own admission, doing it because she thinks the pot is big enough. What she and many other Mirage regulars (MR) aren't aware of is that while the concept of call the turn and fold the river is perfect strategy against them , it is not effective strategy for MR to use, because their opponents are far more aggressive than MR are. Especially against MR. And it works, mostly because MR only think that their opponents think like they themselves do, so they keep getting pushed around.

In other words, Pokerbabe should occassionally employ "the call-the-turn-fold-the-river-because-they-won't-always-keep-firing-and-it-keeps-me-from-being-exploited-and-it-possibly-exploits-my-opponent's-river-betting-tendencies" strategy against the group of regular locals who play like she does. And never against anyone else.

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What Clark Said.

I agree. Have to be a "situational" player. But conventions do work. But one must realize when to get out of those conventions and take a different approach.


Ed S.

[DcifrThs]

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I don't know who Mr 780 is

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He's referring to a certain Mexican wrestler, who happened to attend a certain Texas university.

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uh but why call him mr. 780?

-Barron

[Ulysses]

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Reasoning that is CRITICAL if you are playing in the bigger tougher games. There you must be willing to sometimes call the turn but sometimes fold the same hand on the river to avoid being exploited.

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Exactly, David. We do this in no-limit all the time. Call on one street when you're not sure whether you are good or not and let your opponent's actions on the next street provide further information.

I agree that is the case in bigger limit hold'em games against thinking opponents. It's especially true if you know that your opponent is somewhat intimidated by you and is highly unlikely to fire again without the goods. Reasoning similar to this (my take on Clark v. Gabe) comes into play in those situations.

However, I'm somewhat confused as to why you think your statement applies in this situation.

[turnipmonster]

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aren't aware of is that while the concept of call the turn and fold the river is perfect strategy against them

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hey clark, in order for this to be a good strategy against anyone, the MR player has to often be semibluffing the turn and then giving up on the river, no?

I guess I don't really understand what strategy this is a good play against.
--turnipmonster

[Ulysses]

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uh but why call him mr. 780?


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Because El Diablo can do a 780 degree flip from the top ropes. Olé!!!!!

[Ulysses]

I still had two outs and the pot is attractive enough for me to call the turn hoping for the miracle river.......

That's the primary statement I and a couple of others were referring to in our posts.

[J.A.Sucker]

I believe he should be referred to as Senor 780.

[DcifrThs]

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uh but why call him mr. 780?


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Because El Diablo can do a 780 degree flip from the top ropes. Olé!!!!!

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lol...love it...360*2=720...so 780degrees is what exactly ...

for me..it just spells [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

-Barron

[haakee]

780 mod 360 != 0. Sounds painful.