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07-06-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: Is this cold call acceptable, marginal, or terrible
The play on every street of this hand except the river is dreadful.
~ Tilts 
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07-06-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: Is this cold call acceptable, marginal, or terrible
I don't think any situation in which we have a hand worth calling 1 bet with but we actualy cold-call 2 bets with is an "awful" or "terrible" mistake.
It can be bad and it can be a leak (I think both of these apply), but the really "awful" mistakes are ones that lead to losing entire pots by folding when we should call, checking when we should bet, or calling when we should raise, etc. Preflop cold-calls vs. calls are minor mistakes in comparison and I think people are beating up on the OP too much in this hand for an inadvisable cold-call. Sure, his method of debate could be more diplomatic, but in terms of the preflop play itself, it's not off the charts bad.
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07-06-2005, 07:13 PM
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Re: Is this cold call acceptable, marginal, or terrible
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I don't think any situation in which we have a hand worth calling 1 bet with but we actualy cold-call 2 bets with is an "awful" or "terrible" mistake. It can be bad and it can be a leak (I think both of these apply), but the really "awful" mistakes are ones that lead to losing entire pots by folding when we should call, checking when we should bet, or calling when we should raise, etc. Preflop cold-calls vs. calls are minor mistakes in comparison and I think people are beating up on the OP too much in this hand for an inadvisable cold-call. Sure, his method of debate could be more diplomatic, but in terms of the preflop play itself, it's not off the charts bad. [/ QUOTE ] The problem is, when a lot of newer players see this type of hand, they overvalue pocket pairs. For my first 10K hands or so I was losing more than I should have with 22-66 because I simply overvalued the worth of hitting a set.
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07-06-2005, 07:17 PM
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Re: Is this cold call acceptable, marginal, or terrible
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I don't think any situation in which we have a hand worth calling 1 bet with but we actualy cold-call 2 bets with is an "awful" or "terrible" mistake. It can be bad and it can be a leak (I think both of these apply), but the really "awful" mistakes are ones that lead to losing entire pots by folding when we should call, checking when we should bet, or calling when we should raise, etc. Preflop cold-calls vs. calls are minor mistakes in comparison and I think people are beating up on the OP too much in this hand for an inadvisable cold-call. Sure, his method of debate could be more diplomatic, but in terms of the preflop play itself, it's not off the charts bad. [/ QUOTE ] In fairness to the respondents to the OP, he did ask about the cold call.
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07-06-2005, 07:37 PM
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Re: Is this cold call acceptable, marginal, or terrible
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I don't think any situation in which we have a hand worth calling 1 bet with but we actualy cold-call 2 bets with is an "awful" or "terrible" mistake. It can be bad and it can be a leak (I think both of these apply), but the really "awful" mistakes are ones that lead to losing entire pots by folding when we should call, checking when we should bet, or calling when we should raise, etc. Preflop cold-calls vs. calls are minor mistakes in comparison and I think people are beating up on the OP too much in this hand for an inadvisable cold-call. Sure, his method of debate could be more diplomatic, but in terms of the preflop play itself, it's not off the charts bad. [/ QUOTE ] one very bad cold call like this one doesn't cost as much as folding a hand that is good. but it costs probably about one sb and situations where incorrect cold calls are possible occur very often. i would guesstimate that the habit to cold call much more frequently than optimal may very well cost 3BB/100 hands or more.
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