Ace Jack on the button

[Exitonly]

deepstacked usually means more than 40BB's i think..

but yea that sounds about right.

[bruce]

His problem had almost identical stacks. The stacks we had were slightly larger and the blinds from his example were
50/100. So I had a slightly larger stack but in his problem the blinds were twice as big. So I guess I'm even
more deepstacked with the smaller blinds than what he's
referring to.

Bruce

[bruce]

This is only one man's opinion. Dan has a reputation for being tight and the hand he's referring to is AJs. Not sure how much our debate changes with AJo. His book is an
excellent piece, but like any book addressing a complex subject there are always going to be multiple interpretations.

Bruce

[woodguy]

Hey Bruce,

PF I may call, but I'm not going to tell you not to raise, especially against a LAG.

Flop, I check behind to try to represent a K

Turn
-If he leads out I flat call. I'm really not worried about any draws and I don't want him out of the pot if I'm ahead, plus he he has a K he probably leads the river too and you can fold in good conscience, or call a (hopefully) small bet.

-You can make a case for raising the turn if he leads, if he pops you back easy laydown

-If he checks the turn I probably make a 1/2 pot bet

The reason I check the flop and bet the turn is in order to not induce a bluff on the river which I may not want to call.

Also checking this flop after being the PF raiser screams you have a K, and if he does have a K you can find out with a turn raise, or if you call the turn and he leads the river, he probably has one there too.

Regards,
Woodguy

[bruce]

I have slowly begun to incorporate checking the flop into my
play. However, my default mechanism is to bet the flop, which is how I reacted in this spot. If I check the flop
and air comes on the turn then I can fold if he fires a barrel on the turn. If he bets the turn when I catch up
in this spot, either a small turn raise or calling and then
folding to a river bet saves me a lot of chips. He also
may be fearful of me slowplaying AK, so on the net, I lose
a lot less with this course of action. On the downside
checking the flop will encourage him to bet the turn if we both have air on the turn. But all things considered chip
preservation is probably more important in this spot and
I like your line of play much better than mine. Thx.


By the way at the Legends, Padraig Parkinson is a master at
checking the flop regardless of how big or small a hand
he has. As a result he gets to see a lot of river cards
for free. His opponents never know if he will raise
the turn or not. I played with him for around 4 hours
and he must check the flop at least 75% of the time.
Perhaps they play this way more in Europe.

Bruce

[DireWolf]

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If he bets the turn when I catch up
in this spot, either a small turn raise or calling and then
folding to a river bet saves me a lot of chips.


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If you check the flop, I don't get why u would raise the turn? your not going to fold any better hands here (besides maybe 1-QQ). sure you represent a king here, but what good does that do, He either has a king as well and isn't folding, or you make him fold a hand you are beating.

By the same token, since you can't raise the turn, You have to think about calling the river right? This would be the hard decision for the hand. im assuming there is some chance villan will bet a worse hand than yours if the action goes:

check,check
bet,call
bet.

[bruce]

If he makes a small turn bet then if I make a small reraise, like a 2 to 3x raise and he comes over the top of me than it's an easy fold. If he calls my turn raise than
I probably get a free showdown.

Bruce

Although I would still need a definite LAG read to get involved with the AJo, I think maybe I have some kinda of phobia towards AJ, because I would be 10x more comfortable with AQ in this spot, even though you are likely right as they are not all that different in this spot. I actually got a lot out of this post myself, although I would still fold here personally, and maybe call if suited.

[bruce]

I to have gotten a lot out of this and I appreciate your insightful feedback. The beautiful thing about poker is how many different ways there are to skin a cat, correctly also, although some may be better than others.

I'm not sure if we are also being results oriented. If he
showsdown T9 on the river I'm not even sure if I would have posted this although the basic concepts would still be identical.

Bruce