I'm a card mechanic.

[Arsene Lupin III]

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JBWPO poker dealer Bob Carter found a bag in the men’s restroom yesterday. Incredibly, the bag contained a whopping $84,000 in cash. Carter turned in the money, which was later claimed by the rightful owner. Carter received a generous tip for his honesty. The poker award for integrity for this tournament goes to Bob Carter, from Kansas City, MO.

[larrondo]

Your 'moral questions' are not in any way analogous.

I hope one of the people you try to cheat has 'relations' with your wife.

[The_Tracker]

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Why not just buy a gun and rob people at gunpoint? Or maybe just break into their house when they're not home and take whatever you want? That way, you're not limited to stealing just from poker players.

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You people can [censored] off. You are taking this way to far. I mention that I have practiced card control at home and suddenly I am a gun weilding mugging thug. WAY over the top folks.
Oh yeah, where in ANY of my posts did it say I had actually attempted anything in a game? It doesn't, why, because I haven't. If any of you dealt cards for a living you would begin to realize that you can do some pretty cool things with a deck of cards. You can only practice a riffle, strip, box and pitch so long before you perfect it. I can also do some magic tricks with a deck too. Should I go out and rob some magicians at gun point now? Christ.
And to those of you that think I would cheat at work, well, you really aren't worth responding to. Jumping to to many stupid conclusions.
There is something called "procedure" that is followed by all dealers of a casino, and this procedure is what makes cheating basically impossible. The procedure doesn't allow for it. Oh and the cameras and players closely watching as well. You morons really don't know how things work apparently.

Way to blow this way out of proportion. Thanks for the name calling, and if I decide to attempt a cheat at a game of poker I hope I am playing with you fine people so you can have the pleasure of kicking my ass.

End of discussion for me.

[RRRRICK]

The fact that you haven't used your powers for evil as of yet is one thing BUT you did say in your original post that u wouldn't mind giving it a try in a home. So you're not a lying cheating lowlife scumbag as of yet. But let me say F@#K U in advance for when you follow through on your idea.

[RackOChips]

Tracker, the point is that cheating is stealing. The fact that this isn't implicitly obvious to you is a bit alarming.

[Snowslide]

Tracker, just curious, as I have been starting to host home games.
What do you think your plan of action would be if you were caught?
Would you just get up and leave your money at the table? Would you run? With the money?
Do you look for other mechanics in the games you play, and would you call them on it if you yourself were 'doing your thing'?
Also, if you were cought, what do you think the other players would be justified in doing?
I am assuming we are talking about a decent amount of money for an 'average' person.
I don't know exactly were I stand on the whole cheating thing, as we all have to justify our actions to ourselves, but I can say it would be pretty intersting catching someone doing that at my home game. Chances are, they would not be playing poker or dealing atleast, for a while. And it would be hard for them to find a game in my city afterwards. Not judging you or anything, but I really am curious about this, as I just don't see it being profitable over the long haul.

Thanks,
*mike*

PS, is there any "Spot a mechanic" FAQ's out there?

[FatMan]

This quote comes from Doyle Brunson's book, "Poker Wisdom of a Champion."

"I don't want to be so pompous as to dictate how you should run your life, but to me finding a fair challenge beats searching for suckers."

I think that says that says it all.

[Arsene Lupin III]

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You people can [censored] off. You are taking this way to far. I mention that I have practiced card control at home and suddenly I am a gun weilding mugging thug. WAY over the top folks.
Oh yeah, where in ANY of my posts did it say I had actually attempted anything in a game? You morons really don't know how things work apparently.

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I post intelligent, non-belligerent replies to your declaration of (or at least your having no qualms about your) intent to cheat home games with your 1337m3(h4n1(sk1||5 (elite mechanic skills).


Thank you for entirely ignoring my responses. I take this as a sign of your total resignation and my victory in the debate.

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This quote comes from Doyle Brunson's book, "Poker Wisdom of a Champion."

"I don't want to be so pompous as to dictate how you should run your life, but to me finding a fair challenge beats searching for suckers."

I think that says that says it all.

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But, very few people who post on 2+2 are looking for a fair challenge. Most of them seem to be in search of a distinctly unfair challenge, which they call a "soft game" or a "juicy game."

[CaptLego]

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This quote comes from Doyle Brunson's book, "Poker Wisdom of a Champion."

"I don't want to be so pompous as to dictate how you should run your life, but to me finding a fair challenge beats searching for suckers."

I think that says that says it all.

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But, very few people who post on 2+2 are looking for a fair challenge. Most of them seem to be in search of a distinctly unfair challenge, which they call a "soft game" or a "juicy game."

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I think there's a distinction to be made here..
A) You might be interested in testing your skills against the best players --- the "challenge"
B) You might be interested in making money -- the "soft" or "juicy" game. In that case, you hope the other players are less skilled. This would still be "fair", just less of a challenge.

But to me, "fair" implies that everybody is playing by the same rules. If I'm playing in a game and making the assumption that the cards are dealt randomly, while in actuality other players are stacking the deck -- the game is "unfair". Others may have more skill than me -- that's still "fair". But if they're playing by different rules -- that's unfair. I relate "unfair" to "cheating".

If the home game rules allow for stacking the deck or other card manipulation techniques, then that's OK as long as the rules are clearly stated. I wouldn't want to play in that game, though, since I'd just have to fold every hand dealt by a mechanic.

So with these definitions,
A fair challenge is fine.
A fair no-challenge is juicy.
An unfair no-challenge makes me the cheater, and I have no interest in that.
An "unfair challenge" is the game I most want to avoid.