WTSD%

[Mempho]

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The most amazing stat (to me), that I see is that some people are able to crush the games with a W$SD% of just slightly over 50%. But invariably these people have a +40% WTSD. They also always have a very high PFR%. Yours seems high at 11.4%. It's not like I'm passive pre-flop, but I can't imagine ever getting to +11%. I suspect you guys must be steal quite a bit more than I do.

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I have tinkered with raising my PFR myself. I can't get mine above 11% without doing things that I would consider stupid.

To even get to this point, I started raising more things when first in...but I can't see how you can get a PFR on the order of 18% without doing some things that are highly questionable. That said, I know that there is a legit path to get to an 18 PFR...I just haven't figured it out yet.

Look at the "legit" raising range (according to the "old" Vegas rock raising ranges)

AA 0.5%
KK 0.5%
QQ 0.5%
JJ 0.5%
TT 0.5%

Big and High Middle Pairs = 2.5%

AKs + AKo 3.3%
AQs + AQo 3.3%

Now, if you raise/reraise every time you are dealt one of these hands, you are at 9.1%. This is not going to happen however, since there will be times which you can't raise here.

Now, let's add some more possibilities:

AJs 0.3%
KQs 0.3%
ATs 0.3%
KJs 0.3%

These only add another 1.2%...but these are really only playable some of the time (no news to anybody here). They are extremely situational....they might be 3-bet hands against some laggy types and folds against tight raisers. Nothing new here....

But even if we play these hands and raise with them every time regardless of situation...we've only gotten to 10.3%.

Now, let's put the rest of the pairs in there:

99-22 4%

Once again, if we're raising regardless of situation (even when the evidence is contrary to us having or making the best hand), we've made it to 14.3%.

We could add little broadway suited hands....

QJs
JTs
KTs

Collectively, another 0.9%

Now....offsuits

AJo
ATo
KQo
KJo
KTo
QJo
QTo
JTo

That's 24%.....adding the 15.2% previously mentioned, that brings us to about 39%...but it would obviously be pretty stupid to raise all these hands regardless of your situation....so what if you raised all of these hands when you were the first raiser in (still not always advisable, of course)...but...assume a table average PFR of 9%....meaning that...

UTG you would raise 39% of the time (Yes, I know this avoids the obvious reraise situations)

UTG 39.00
UTG +1 35.49 (0.91^1*0.39)
UTG +2 32.00 (0.91^2*0.39)
MP1 29.00 (0.91^3*0.39)
MP2 27.00
MP3 24.00
CO 22.00
BTN 20.00

This would give us a 28.62% PFR assuming we never raised in the blinds or reraised anyone. Probably just useless math, but I thought it was somewhat interesting.

[Mempho]

I read up top that people were checking more turns in order to get a free SD with hands that are behind/very marginal and inducing a bluff with the good holdings (reasoning that a big draw is going to call anyway). Some people seem to be advocating avoidance. Then, they figure they'll call the river bet with A-high because the chance that they induced a bluff was high enough that they must call.

I don't do this of course...I almost always bet the turn...but I'm hearing some different things.

[bicyclekick]

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BK,

Are you winning showdowns in the 45-50 range?

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All limits:
40/55 sd stats. I think all the HU play I've played affects those numbers.

181k hands this year, 24 vpip, 17pfr, 40/55 sd stats. I think also I run good.

aggression by streets:
flop:2.54
turn: 2.20
river: 1.38

Just 30/60:

21/16 (i play a decent enough mix of SH and full ring) 39/54 there too for sd stats.

[ike]

Is your won at showdown a little higher than mine? I think I bluff the river more than most players.

[DpR]

Your missing 'situational' rasies.

[ike]

I put in LOTS of raises with hands not on this list both on blind steals and behind single limpers.

[MarkD]

Kick, do you mind filtering for >7 players. Your VPIP, PFR, and other stats just seem really high, yet they make perfect sense for someone who plays a lot of shorthanded.

[Lestat]

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Situational re-raises as well. 3-betting button steals with hands like AT in the bb, instead of just calling does add up.

[bicyclekick]

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Kick, do you mind filtering for &gt;7 players. Your VPIP, PFR, and other stats just seem really high, yet they make perfect sense for someone who plays a lot of shorthanded.

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7-10 players:
100,727 hands
vpip 17.29
pfr 12.21
went to sd 38.71
won$sd 57.04 (wow it looks like I run good full table)

Anyone think it might have a little to do with the higher limits being tighter than 30/60 and therefor more HU pots...so I have to beat less people at showdown? Then again I think most of my full table play is from 15/30, 30/60 and 50/100. Most of the higher limits are never full table.

[mosta]

I put that the wrong way. I didn't mean making a habit of putting in two more bets with A-hi. what I meant was looking for that call down based on the read of the situation.