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#31
11-27-2005, 09:21 PM
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Re: A humble question
Like I thought I said before, "Bet and its not thin" is saying a lot. And "bet with impunity" is saying a lot. Its saying bet and its not close. Now if I were a beginning player that would immediatly click in my head that ok obviously betting is right. I dont think you need some long winded response to make a point.
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#32
11-27-2005, 09:22 PM
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Re: A humble question
Heaven can wait. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Meanwhile, I'm just trying to put myself in the OP's place and all posters who are seeking advice. Merely saying "bet" or "check" or "raise" without explaining why is just not very useful.
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#35
11-28-2005, 03:27 AM
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Re: A humble question
"bet and it's not thin" is just an opinion. It's not an argument. It's not an explanation.
It's true that you can rationalize it by saying that at least he has your opinion, which is better than nothing. Maybe so. The point is though, it's not much better than nothing, especially when you factor in the very real possibility that the opinion is wrong. People give bad advice here all the time. Logic is required for two things here, both of them fundamental to good poker: 1. decide what should have been done in the given hand that was already played 2. recognize why it should have been done, so that correct actions on future hands can be deduced in real-time Without explaining why an answer is correct, it's very hard to recognize which future hands are similar and which are different enough to warrant a different action. In other words, you just saying it doesn't make it so. Prove it. -Eric
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#36
11-28-2005, 04:06 AM
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Re: A humble question
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"bet and it's not thin" is just an opinion. It's not an argument. It's not an explanation. It's true that you can rationalize it by saying that at least he has your opinion, which is better than nothing. Maybe so. The point is though, it's not much better than nothing, especially when you factor in the very real possibility that the opinion is wrong. People give bad advice here all the time. Logic is required for two things here, both of them fundamental to good poker: 1. decide what should have been done in the given hand that was already played 2. recognize why it should have been done, so that correct actions on future hands can be deduced in real-time Without explaining why an answer is correct, it's very hard to recognize which future hands are similar and which are different enough to warrant a different action. In other words, you just saying it doesn't make it so. Prove it. -Eric [/ QUOTE ] So by giving a 4 paragraph response somehow makes it a fact that couldnt be wrong advice. Dude seriously. I understand your point, I know your trying to improve the forums and most of the time I do put my thoughts into a post. But when a guy asks an obvious question u give an obvious answer.
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#37
11-28-2005, 06:35 AM
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Re: A humble question
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Or you could have just written something simple like "A large percentage of the hands experienced players find interesting enough to post often involve close/marginal decisions in relatively short-handed high-limit situations where aggression is an important part of optimal play." holla [/ QUOTE ] If DcifrThs could have written that, he would be you. He's not you.
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#39
11-28-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: A humble question
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[ QUOTE ] Or you could have just written something simple like "A large percentage of the hands experienced players find interesting enough to post often involve close/marginal decisions in relatively short-handed high-limit situations where aggression is an important part of optimal play." holla [/ QUOTE ] If DcifrThs could have written that, he would be you. He's not you. [/ QUOTE ] true. but i could be more clear and use fewer words to make the same point. and i thank and agree with el d for that. i will make a concerted effort to be more direct and clear in the future (as i just did in response to the newest big blind defense thread LINKY although, being el d for a day would be interesting [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] Barron
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#40
11-28-2005, 08:10 PM
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Re: A humble question
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So by giving a 4 paragraph response somehow makes it a fact that couldnt be wrong advice. [/ QUOTE ] Of course a 4 paragraph response doesn't prove anything either. What it does is provide an argument that can actually be discussed by intelligent people. The OP and everyone else can look at the logic behind the move and make an informed decision about whether it makes sense. This is not an option when someone just writes "bet". -Eric PS. It probably comes across that I'm really hammering on you, but in fact I'm just enjoying the discussion. I do feel strongly about this point, but don't have any problem with you personally or your posts in this thread.
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