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Old 10-29-2005, 01:34 PM
mlagoo mlagoo is offline
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/E

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Some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled.

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Old 10-29-2005, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/E

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Some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled.

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Old 10-29-2005, 09:32 PM
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/E

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Some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled.

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Old 10-30-2005, 02:30 AM
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Default Using that definition,

100k/year and no other [significant] source of income, I am a pro pker player.

Too bad Mom didn't live to see it; she'd undoubtedly be beaming with pride not to mention how clever she'd feel for having spent a small fortune on private school for me since the age of 4.

"Top o' the world, Ma".

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I shall now retreat to my office and ponder where it all went wrong. :-)
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Old 10-30-2005, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/E

100k/yr is an absurd cut-off.


I know a couple of people on 2+2 who I consider 'professional'.
They are over 30 years old...poker is their sole-source of income...and they have made around 40k-50k/yr at online-poker for the last 2-4 years.


I file my income taxes as a 'professional gambler'.
I do not make $100k/yr but poker is my sole-source of income so I suppose I do consider myself a 'pro'.

In fact, I have never made more than 50k in a year ever in any of my previous occupations either.


when referncing my status around here or to others I will usually define it as 'my sole-source of income' because I think that calling one-self a 'pro' is a bit silly and pretentious and I don't really care.


Also - tdarko's point that almost every single professional baseball player starts in the $800/mth range is correct and relevant.

Every single one of these ball-players is a 'professional baseball player' (whether YOU consider minor-league baseball players to be 'professional' doesn't really matter. they are 'pro ball-players' and there really isn't room for argument).

And it's not a one-time thing.
Most of them will be making $1000-$2000/mth in their next 3-4 seasons of professional baseball at the A, AA and AAA levels.

Most professional baseball players do not make it to the major leagues.
Most professional baseball players make less than $2k/mth (and only get paid during the 3-5 mths of the baseball season).



I too am annoyed by any wanna-be who calls themselves a 'pro poker player' who really is not.
But the $100k cut-off from the original post is incredibly inaccuarate.
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Old 10-30-2005, 02:25 PM
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/ETC?

I play $1/2 and don't have a job, This is my only form of income.

Can be called a pro please please, it will help me get laid. Please please please.
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Old 10-30-2005, 04:24 PM
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Default Milo\'s definitive answer.

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I gotta admit buddy. It's pretty unimportant what people call themselves and I guess I don't see why you're so interested? I'm definately not in the D) category and I couldn't care less if some joe schmo who's living off gringing out 15 dollars an hour live is called a pro or a semi-pro or a nobody. Titles don't matter.

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BK is correct, but some people need definitive answers, so I offer the following:

If poker is your sole or primary source of income (and you are not a full-time student or otherwise relying on others to support you in part or whole), then you are a professional poker player.

If you have another job, are a full-time student, or are supported by others, yet derive a significant portion of your income from poker, you may consider yourself a "semi-professional."

If you play for fun, maybe win a little bit here and there, but do not count on poker to help you pay the bills, you are a recreational player.

If you play a lot of poker, but lose more than you win, you should take up another hobby.
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Old 10-30-2005, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Milo\'s definitive answer.

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I gotta admit buddy. It's pretty unimportant what people call themselves and I guess I don't see why you're so interested? I'm definately not in the D) category and I couldn't care less if some joe schmo who's living off gringing out 15 dollars an hour live is called a pro or a semi-pro or a nobody. Titles don't matter.

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BK is correct, but some people need definitive answers, so I offer the following:

If poker is your sole or primary source of income (and you are not a full-time student or otherwise relying on others to support you in part or whole), then you are a professional poker player.

If you have another job, are a full-time student, or are supported by others, yet derive a significant portion of your income from poker, you may consider yourself a "semi-professional."

If you play for fun, maybe win a little bit here and there, but do not count on poker to help you pay the bills, you are a recreational player.

If you play a lot of poker, but lose more than you win, you should take up another hobby.

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This is the only logical way to look at it.
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Old 10-30-2005, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: Milo\'s definitive answer.

Why can't a student be a professional? I also don't think the titles matter one way or another, but I don't understand how a student who meets the IRS' criteria as a professional gambler, and pays FICA etc. can be considered anything but a pro.
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Old 10-30-2005, 06:30 PM
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Default Re: What do you consider for someone to call themsevles PRO/SEMI-PRO/E

Thank you, as this was the type of conv I was looking for. I wanted to see what others thought and what maybe other people who play poker for a living are making since I don't know tha many much less how much they are pulling in.
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