Hand I think I played well

[John Biggs]

... he described it more fully, accurately, and politely than I did.

[SoBeDude]

hate your river bet. There is no value to it. A better hand will call every time with the possible exceptions of 77 & 66 specifically - but they'll probably still call. A worse hand will almost always fold. Do you really think AK is going to call a river bet here after your "surprise" show of strength on the turn? Doubtful. Check it down.

Hi vehn,

Thanks for your view.

I do actually see AK call on occasion in a spot like this.

I have also seen many people with big overcards take a shot - with position - at a board like this, when someone has bet a previous street and now checks.

If I check (show weakness) and he bets, then my play on the river becomes unclear to me. Do I call to snap off his ace-high? did I misread his hand? What if another calls as well?

So the bet prevents him from taking a shot at the pot, and makes my play essentially easy. Not a good enough reason?

Also I think the bet gives people an opportunity to fold, which in this situation I like.

-Scott

[Munga30]

As usual, Homer states his reasoning very well.

I'd like to add that even if the button were calling incorrectly with overcards, you, Scott, are not likely the recipient of that EV, according to Morton's Theorem. You might do better if he folded correctly if the MP (or whoever's left in the hand on the turn) has a draw to beat you both.

[Homer]

Well, we never seem to agree on anything, but I actually agree with this! [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

-- Homer

[Vehn]

Also I think the bet gives people an opportunity to fold, which in this situation I like.

Read my post again. A better hand will never fold. So who are you giving "the opportunity to fold" to? Why do you want worse hands folding? You're not thinking about it the right way here.

If he bets the river then you have an easy call given that he didn't raise the turn bet. If he checks the river with a better hand then you saved a bet. Generally this is a classic situation where you will only be called when beaten. Of course there is some "don't have to show cards" equity but its not the kind you can stack or exchange for sex with waitresses.

[SoBeDude]

well homey, now you really have me confused! we agreed on something? wow.

Of course you know the bet on the river won't work WITHOUT the bet on the turn...

-Scott

[Homer]

I agree, but that still doesn't mean that I agree that betting the turn and river is betting than check-folding the turn. :-)

-- Homer

[Bob T.]

He put his opponent on a hand, he played the hand in a way that he could confirm his read, and then he followed through, and acted on it. That seems like he played poker to me.

[Homer]

The problem is that he had three opponents in this hand. He put the button on a hand, but he never mentioned his other two opponents (who both called the flop bet).

-- Homer

[Bob T.]

Of course there is some "don't have to show cards" equity but its not the kind you can stack or exchange for sex with waitresses.

.... or buy a $700 cat with. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]