Party rakeback

[sthief09]

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FWIW...I got 32% on Eurobet w/ an affiliate w/ a banner on 2+2

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in that case I guess robk is right, but there definitely is a force pushing in the other direction even if it's not strong enough to overcome people getting such high rates.

[pheasant tail (no 18)]

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in that case I guess robk is right, but there definitely is a force pushing in the other direction even if it's not strong enough to overcome people getting such high rates.

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sure. why let people used to making more. HUSH multitablers (I was just playing 5/10 when I signed up) are worth a bit more to affiliates than many.

It was one of the smaller affiliates, and I need a little more than most.

[MicroBob]

I don't see what the big hurry is to set it up RIGHT NOW anyway.


I am kind of forced to wait anyway though as I have won 4 seats in the November PPM semi-finals so that is $1k worth of tourney-entries that I have in my current Party account (and it's my understanding that I would probably have to close my old acct to set up a new one safely).
My 'concern' right now is what if I actually win my seat on the cruise on my current Party account? Probably can't very easily close my account then I wouldn't think...and I feel it might be slightly risky to set up a new account while my current one is still active.

etc etc. Who knows what will happen?
But it looks promising for RB to come in the semi-near future so I'm reasonably happy about that of course.

[billyjex]

i have a somewhat similar problem with my account, in that i won a cruise on the PPM million (not the WPT entry, just the cruise. they gave out 5 seats in a half million guaranteed for 10th,20th,30th,40th and 50th, and i got 10th.)

so I'm not really sure what is going to happen to that if I decide to make a new account..

[MILFChaser]

As a Party affiliate, I have never lost the ability to give individual rewards to players. Party took away the individual trackers from affiliates who were stealing their players and sending them to Empire. I stayed loyal to Party and did not engage in this.

Use some common sense people, Party is going to give back to the people who were loyal to them. If you sign up with an affiliate who has screwed Party in the past and you dont expect Party to screw them in the future, you need your heads examined.

Guys,

There are too many misconceptions floating around here. My home poker game partner and I have worked as affiliates with Party for 2 years and know all of the ins and outs concerning account setups, account freezings, affiliate pay structures, and rakeback policies. I hope nothing I say spoils what major affiliates are trying to do with rakeback, but there is a deception line.

First of all "affiliate" does not mean "rakeback". That's what us winning players interpret it to mean. I have been an affiliate for 22 months now and out of the 140 player accounts that I've signed up, NONE of them involved rakeback. At least not until everything happened this weekend (but that's another story). I assure you guys, that not all affiliates offer rakeback. The ones you see, the ones that are directly involved with winning power players, the ones that you've all dealt with on Empire, Eurobet, and other sites are the ONLY ones offering rake return. Almost every one of the fish we play with, as well as every 'casual' player, belongs to an affiliate too, but they don't get a single red cent back at the end of each month. And contrary to popular belief, affiliates don't work nearly as close to Party as you may think.

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When someone burns you with cigarette butts, you don't thank them for their kindness in not beating you with a bicycle chain. I am irate about Party's separation and their buddy-buddying with the affiliates to resume [censored] us in the ass.

Wtf did these affiliates do to earn thousands of dollars from me? It was bad enough when they were earning 2.5% of my rake, but now they are going to be gouging us for 5% with the tacit approval of Party Poker. Unbelievable.

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None of this was Party Poker's doing. Party doesn't offer rakeback, or even have the slightest idea of how much you or anyone else was getting from a skin affiliate. The reason that rakeback affiliates can't offer as much on Party as the could on the skins is simple. They just don't get enough to offer. The affiliates have no control over this, as their percentages were higher on all of the skins.

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since 25% is out there, affiliates (some at least) are getting 30 (edit: probably. im not an affiliate and dont know any personally). its a longshot, but 35 might be out there (if not right away then possible for some affiliates to attain.)

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25% is the standard maximum on a single account. 30% is the absolute maximum if affiliate and sub-affiliate accounts are joined (against Party Poker policy). 35% does not exist.

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This is what I did last time to get a good rate at Eurobet. This time, it seems that affiliates are colluding to keep the offers at 25%

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No collusion is involved. There are way too many affiliates for this to be possible. What you are seeing is a reasonable, competitive market rate based on what's available to them.

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I do know they get a lot of pressure from their affiliate managers to not give more than a certain amount. I don't know anyone who got more than 30% at Eurobet. if they did, the affiliate would have to trust that person enough to not tell anyone. if word got out that someone was getting 32% then everyone would want 32% and the affiliate managers would be pissed. Even 30% was somewhat hush hush. All the Eurobet offers made you email them to request an offer.

it's very possible Party said that if they pay out >25%, they lose their affiliateship and forfeit any money they've accrued. if that's the case, it's not worth a big time affiliate risking his whole business for one person's 3%

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Any affiliate mananger that pressures an affiliate to do ANYTHING concerning rakeback (also against Party Poker policy) is a rotten egg. I speak to my manager all the time and he is adamant when he says that Party Poker does not condone rakeback in any way, shape or form. At this point, Party is probably turning their heads the other way when it comes to rakeback investigation in an attempt to regain all of the accounts that were lost to skins. Party Poker doesn't set any amounts for players to receive. They pay the affiliates, and what the affiliates do after that is beyond Party's control (unless, of course, Party decides they don't like what they see).


The whole point of this post is to clear up existing fallacies about Party's role in what happened over the weekend. They didn't make all of these changes to screw over any players or affiliates. They just want their players back. I, myself have never downloaded or used a skin. I have always played on Party itself, and I guess I'm lucky in that sense.

What you guys received from your play on the skins should be considered a privilige and not looked at as a loss. The skins were set up to help party grow into a bigger site than it was. Instead, the independently operated sister sites and skin affiliate managers used these skins as a vehicle to steal existing players away from Party and move those players over to them. Party wants nothing more than to bring those people back. The players get the blunt end of it, but you know what? Players aren't supposed to be getting rakeback to begin with. So, consider anything at all to be a huge bonus on top of your poker winnings. As far as Party Poker is concerned (and rightfully so), they aren't screwing anyone.

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As a Party affiliate, I have never lost the ability to give individual rewards to players.

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I can't see how that's possible unless it was an oversight.

We (my partner and I) never engaged in rakeback offers and worked about as closely to Party Poker as anyone could. On top of that, we had 20-30 players on each tracker. Our trackers were still blocked about 8 months ago regardless. This is the first case I'm hearing of such a thing out of 40 or so instances.

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so I'm not really sure what is going to happen to that if I decide to make a new account..

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Is this even possible? I moved to Empire because from what I knew, starting a new account with Party wasn't possible.

Unless you are planning to make the account under a different name, of course.

[MyTurn2Raise]

POTD

[MILFChaser]

Everyone, please listen to this man. (Our House) 2+2 has been the land of the blind lately and his vision seems to be 20/20 from his post.

OurHouse, I did not say I gave rewards to my players. Like you I have always kept it simple. I do have the option though.