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View Poll Results: Did the addition of the 75/150 blind level change the average length of time each 10+1 stt takes?
yes 25 71.43%
no 10 28.57%
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  #31  
Old 10-08-2005, 03:16 AM
Irieguy Irieguy is offline
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I would fold....I put big stack on 88+, AJ+; SB on default-Average; and BB on default-Loose, and I got +0.5 when discounting 50% for next BB/SB. Seems to me the blinds are more likely to be looser than tighter than these ranges, hence the fold....I dunno, I guess Irie and deathpotato and the rest of the guys who said push think the villains will be tighter than the ranges I specified? Or do you think +0.2-+0.5 here is enough to make pushing very clear?

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The big stack rates to be a bit looser than that... but I think you are way off on the blinds, particularly the SB. this is a 109 and the short stacks like to play "who can fold into the money," a lot more at that level than the lower ones.

Irieguy
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Old 10-08-2005, 03:30 AM
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I would fold....I put big stack on 88+, AJ+; SB on default-Average; and BB on default-Loose, and I got +0.5 when discounting 50% for next BB/SB. Seems to me the blinds are more likely to be looser than tighter than these ranges, hence the fold....I dunno, I guess Irie and deathpotato and the rest of the guys who said push think the villains will be tighter than the ranges I specified? Or do you think +0.2-+0.5 here is enough to make pushing very clear?

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The big stack rates to be a bit looser than that... but I think you are way off on the blinds, particularly the SB. this is a 109 and the short stacks like to play "who can fold into the money," a lot more at that level than the lower ones.

Irieguy

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Ugh, why can't all opponents just play the same way.
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Old 10-08-2005, 03:36 AM
Mr_J Mr_J is offline
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

"this is a 109 and the short stacks like to play "who can fold into the money,""

$109 bubbles must be fun...
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Old 10-08-2005, 03:41 AM
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

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this is a 109 and the short stacks like to play "who can fold into the money," a lot more at that level than the lower ones.

Irieguy

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I gotta move up.
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Old 10-08-2005, 03:56 AM
Michael C. Michael C. is offline
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

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You'd rather be in the CO than BTN for an open push? No way....only if I have a really big hand. This hand here isn't that really big hand.

Yugoslav

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One reason I said "kind of," is that it really depends on a few things. But I'm a pretty agressive player in these kind of spots, and I can't tell you how many times I'm been called down lately with all kinds of hands like this when I push from the button (in the 109s and 215s). And a lot of situations like this the small blind will fold something like KQ or A8 here more to me from a cutoff raise than a button raise. The main worry here is the big stack, and he has to have by far the tightest range of anyone in this hand. So overall I think whether or not it's better in a spot like this to raise from cutoff or button depends on your image and how sharp the other players are. And I completely disagree with you about having a "big hand." If I had a really big hand, I'd MUCH rather push from the button, because it's going to be interpretted way more often as a steal and will thus get called more.
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Old 10-08-2005, 04:04 AM
Deuce2High Deuce2High is offline
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

Push it.

Minraising is bad here as the blinds won't mind stop n going here or just calling to catch a good flop since they are still far from ITM.

And for those who said that they would push all in as the bigstack in this situation with a wide range over a cutoff minraiser is probably overplaying their stack and losing it often. Bad play as well, IMO.
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Old 10-08-2005, 04:06 AM
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

not that close? i disagree because i want to know which way you are so decisively leaning with no reads and no info about previous hands? I think its close enough that there is not nearly enough info in the op to determine the correct decision.
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Old 10-08-2005, 04:11 AM
Deuce2High Deuce2High is offline
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

Mathematically you have all the information you need. Put your callers on the ranges they should be calling with and you can figure it out.
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Old 10-08-2005, 04:12 AM
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impossible... how can i put them on a range if i dont know how much dudes been pushing or what they play like in any way shape or form
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Old 10-08-2005, 04:23 AM
Deuce2High Deuce2High is offline
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Default Re: 109 interesting spot.. POLL TIME!!

Come on now with the semantics of the situation. What do you want, a list of reads for the table? 60% of the players here 8-table. Many hands are played without any reads at all. If there is no way to answer the question without more information, then I guess that you are the only person that makes sense in this thread. Poker is a game of incomplete information, anyways; And once again I can assure you that in this part of the forums you won't be making a lot of replys to posts based on the reads that an OP threw in there.
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