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Old 10-01-2005, 09:59 PM
MarkL444 MarkL444 is offline
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

someone ban this guy
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Old 10-01-2005, 10:05 PM
Cactus Cactus Cactus Cactus is offline
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

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someone ban this guy for trying to ban me. Wow some people are so uptight
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Old 10-01-2005, 11:03 PM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

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While the original topic was a bit whiney (I do feel for you though cactus), it has fostered a somewhat interesting discussion on bankroll requirements at the higher limits.
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Old 10-02-2005, 04:36 AM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

the easy answer is, the players are better, the games are harder and your edge is smaller. variance is bigger too.
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Old 10-02-2005, 04:44 AM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

Yeah middle limits short-handed is tough, $10/20 and particularly $20/40. 200-300 BB drops are entirely possible at any time.
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Old 10-02-2005, 05:09 AM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

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I make double playing poker online what I make at my job (granted my job blows and I don't get paid crap), I play about 5000 hands a month (which 4-tabling gives me about 250 hands per hour or in short 20 hours a month playing poker) and I've never put more than $100 down on a table at once.

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Wait, you make double playing poker than you do at your job and yet you only put $100 on the table? Uh, so you make like $8 an hour working?

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MacDonalds?
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Old 10-02-2005, 05:46 AM
Schneids Schneids is offline
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

Yes Bob, I agree that $150,000 is a good bankroll amount for $100/200. However, I think that someone could play in $100/200 and take shots in it with $75,000 or even a little less in their roll.

The last few weeks, I have been playing some $300/600 online and I don't have a $500,000 roll for it (which is what I'd like to have to begin playing it as my "regular" game), but I'm comfortable taking calculated shots in hopes of hitting some big scores to build that roll quicker, since the difference between $50/100 and $100/200 earns and $300/600 earns is phenomenal enough to make the risk worthwhile (while knowing I can afford to risk enough BBs in 300/600 to give these 'shots' a legit shot and in fact make it more than just flipping coins with a 51-49 type edge for thousands at a time).

So yeah. In higher games I think it mainly comes down to having enough to at least let yourself feel comfortable, having losses not take you out of what you'd consider your 'normal' game, and then being able to handle the inherit swings which come along with it.

I'll admit, I lost $14,000 this afternoon playing in 300/600 in like an hour and it still stung a little bit (but I'm guessing the difference between me and the OP is that this loss and a few more like it isn't going to take me out of a $100/200 game, where as the OP likely lost a large hunk of his playing roll in the 75/150 session). I know it's only like 25BBs but that doesn't matter. It's just something to get over with, and the more it happens the less it stings and the more comfortable you get with it.

I really hope this post doesn't rub anyone the wrong way and isn't taken to be read as a BK style gloat post, since I'm really just trying to provide some honest facts.
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Old 10-02-2005, 06:06 AM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

as far as i'm concerned it is relevent information.

it's interesting to hear the ideas of guys like you and daryn who are playing these game fairly regularly.


keep on keepin' on...and you are my freaking hero btw.



obviously i haven't played 100/200 and don't really know...but what i saw of that game on Stars is that it isn't exactly passive (couple raises on every street it seemed...really freaking aggressive) so obviously that effects variance.


As far as taking shots in a short-handed, agggressive game with 375 BB's....($75k for 100/200) that's obviously up to the individual and their own personal risk tolerance.

Obviously if you take an 80BB hit you're going to think about getting out of there and maybe trying it again after you rebuild a little bit.

I don't think I would do it though....but again, that's up to the individual.

I really don't think I'm that disciplined or uptight about these things even though sometimes it may sound that way.
I really feel like I take more 'shots' then I should and have been kind of risky at times.

But I'm obviously not as aggressive about moving up as you guys have been (partly because I'm simply not nearly as good a player as you guys are either nor have I dedicated nearly as much time to improving and learning)
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Old 10-02-2005, 10:21 AM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

I went through two 150BB swings and one 100BB swing in my first 20K hands at 5/10 this month and those are average-sized for SH. I think if you want to have any semblance of sanity playing SH you need at least 500BB, particularly as you move up and your edge gets smaller and the play becomes more and more aggressive.
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Old 10-02-2005, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: I lost 12,000 playing 75 150

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I'll admit, I lost $14,000 this afternoon playing in 300/600

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Ha, I guess I'll stop calling you a pussy for not playing 3/6 then.
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