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09-26-2005, 12:58 PM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
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calling with KQs here in a raised pot is also a loser. you are too often dominated. [/ QUOTE ] hahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 
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#2
09-26-2005, 01:27 PM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
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calling with KQs here in a raised pot is also a loser. you are too often dominated. [/ QUOTE ] against one player, i can see folding as domination then becomes a major issue. against several, i think the call is easy and IMO 3 betting is not awful.
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09-26-2005, 12:44 PM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
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[ QUOTE ] I would fold this preflop. To all the folks arguing that this is an easy preflop call, let me ask you something. Would you call with A2o here? [/ QUOTE ] no. but I often threebet with KQs and drop KQo like a dirty shirt. i can't beleive that you are comparing these 2 hands as nearly eqaul in value. [/ QUOTE ] FYP Barron
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#5
09-25-2005, 10:52 PM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
Four people are in the pot ahead of him with a raise, and blinds will call almost regardless of their hands because "the pot is big" so this is an automatic call in this spot with this position.
People wonder why the games continue to stay good when people are folding hands they shouldn't be with holdings like this... Barron Vangor Toth BarronVangorToth.com
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#6
09-25-2005, 11:38 PM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
barron, i usually agree with you and i enjoy yout writing. however, this is a clear loser, calling a raise here (with trash). additionally, i did not think it was possible to overrate position, but you have. even with the button, A2s is just a bad call, you are to often dominated and won't win your share of pots to have a positive ev. but nothing wrong with disagreeing.
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#7
09-26-2005, 12:30 AM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
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barron, i usually agree with you and i enjoy yout writing. however, this is a clear loser, calling a raise here (with trash). additionally, i did not think it was possible to overrate position, but you have. even with the button, A2s is just a bad call, you are to often dominated and won't win your share of pots to have a positive ev. but nothing wrong with disagreeing. [/ QUOTE ] You still have got to be kidding me. You keep making the same arguments. A2s is generally unplayable against a raise, but not in this case. I think you need to reread SSH.
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#8
09-26-2005, 12:55 AM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
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I think you need to reread SSH. [/ QUOTE ] Normally I don't like "appeal to authority" type arguments. But it's almost impossible to calculate all the possibilities here with such a versatile hand and so many opponents without some kind of simulation. So if Amulet wants to ignore the combined experience of Ed, his co-authors, and most of the good players on this forum who agree this hand is playable, you might have better luck trying to convince a brick wall.
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#9
09-26-2005, 11:11 AM
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Re: A2s in a 10/20 game. flop and turn questions.
time, "all the good players", interesting. i think they are losing with hands like this often. several others agreed with me, does that make them bad players? this is not follow the most adamant or even the most venomous, this is a discussion. just maybe i (and the others who agreed with me are correct). and maybe most people here seem to think ssh said raise, reraise, check/ with big suited card and AXs in late position, but it really said a lot more, and people are hurting their bankroll, with aggression and hands that need to be folded, and a lack of complete understand of ssh. and of correct play.
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