Looking for an appropriate challenge to those who say poker's all luck

[KidPokerX]

But I would choose the table with 5 random players only because my chances of winning are greater. This does not, however, change the luck involved with short term. The point you are tyring to make with this competition sounds like an attempt to prove that the short term luck involved in poker must be mastered before the long term can take place.

i cant remember exactly the quote by doyle brunson
In a single session poker is 80% luck 20% skill
In a year poker is 80% skill and 20% luck
In a lifetime, its 100% skill.

i firmly believe this. i could end up winning a session against that first table full of pros if the cards broke my way in a huge manner. I could also lose a session against the second table of donks if the cards went against me. The 120k hands in my PT database show that I am a winning player. I have had 125BB downswings, but that is variance. BR management is THE most important aspect of your game if you are a winning player.

[stripsqueez]

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i cant remember exactly the quote by doyle brunson
In a single session poker is 80% luck 20% skill
In a year poker is 80% skill and 20% luck
In a lifetime, its 100% skill

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there are several offensively misconceived things in this post and this gets my vote as the worst

poker is a game of skill whether it be 1 hand, 1 session, or 1 lifetime

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

Is sportsbetting illegal in the US ? Cause I don't see the difference if you compare betting a sportsresult and the result of a poker hand...??? [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

[wtfsvi]

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I assume he is talking about video poker. In Vegas there are machines with over 100% payout if correct stategy is used. Again that is long term, short term you will be a loser.

[/ QUOTE ] Yeah, short term you'll be a loser. Since a negative number multiplied by a lot has to become positive somewhere.

Either it has +EV or it has not +EV.

[DrunkHamster]

Imagine a hundred sided die, and you make a bet with someone. If it lands 1-99, you pay them a dollar. If it lands on 100, you get paid $200. It is +EV, but in the short term you are most likely to come out a loser. Same with these video poker machines, where much of the EV comes from a royal flush which obviously occurs rarely.

[Guernica4000]

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i cant remember exactly the quote by doyle brunson
In a single session poker is 80% luck 20% skill
In a year poker is 80% skill and 20% luck
In a lifetime, its 100% skill

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there are several offensively misconceived things in this post and this gets my vote as the worst

poker is a game of skill whether it be 1 hand, 1 session, or 1 lifetime

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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Strips,

You can be serious. If your statement is true then there would never be bad beats.
Are you saying that if player "A" best player in the world played against player "B" worst player in the world one hand player "B" would have a 0% chance of winning?

Think of it this way Player "A" greatest player in the world goes all in with Ad Ac after a Ah As Th flop. Player worst player in the world calls with Kh Qh. Is there a 0% chance that a Jh will hit the turn or river?

It is only in the long run that Poker is a game of skill and in a way that is the beauty of it.

[Wake up CALL]

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poker is a game of skill whether it be 1 hand, 1 session, or 1 lifetime

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You really have no clue do you? If every hand was skill do you think an Aussie could have ever won the WSOP this year?

[Wacken]

Skill vs Luck stands best in No Limit games.
The longer the game, the beter it is for skill to beat luck.
The Bigger the difference in skill, the smaller the chance for luck to win.

You can easilly offer to double their winnings from your own pocket.

So chalenge them to join WSOP. It is no limit, it has long rounds and skilled players. They will have virtually no chance to get near the final table [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[XlgJoe]

As DrunkHamster stated it comes down to hitting the natural royal flush, which happens once in about 45,000 hands depending on the variation you are playing. Which is enough to put you from 98% payback to over 100% payback.