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#31
07-28-2005, 01:15 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
You're right, no argument. I wrote the wrong thing without thinking. 
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#32
07-28-2005, 01:47 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
Don't want to be semantic, but if the flop has more than one spade we have the nut flush draw and this is a raise [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#33
07-28-2005, 02:00 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
[ QUOTE ]
Don't want to be semantic, but if the flop has more than one spade we have the nut flush draw and this is a raise [/ QUOTE ] Still a call.
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#34
07-28-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
I think a call might be correct here, actually. Assuming someone has a T or a J you are drawing to 5 outs and getting 6 to 1 or so on a call. I don't think a raise will drive out any hands that you are behind right now. I see no reason to think you have the best hand so it's not for value.
A bit confused...I think I'd call and re-evaluate on the turn. I'm going to see what the others have said now, as I see there's plenty of discussion already.
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#35
07-28-2005, 02:35 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
I think Bozlax and Absolute have articulated my thoughts better than I did. I also meant to mention in my first post that a spade on the board would make this a definite call.
If you are going to play this type of hand at all you will find yourself in this kind of situation much more often than flopping a big hand like two pair, flush draw, trips, etc. Even just pairing the ace is generally not comfortable. Honestly, I calculated the odds wrong on the flop, and now feel this is closer to folding. Those saying to fold preflop probably have a point too, although, if you KNEW the table was very loose/passive, and had faith that a couple more would call, and that no one would raise, then it's not a bad call. I probably would not call this hand tho, unless I had the button and at the very very least two limpers behind me, as I would be playing it like suited connectors or a weak drawing hand.
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#36
07-28-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: Raise or Fold?
You can peel one off since you'll probably be getting at least 8:1 on your call and you have top kicker to go with your bottom pair. You also have a BD gutshot to the nuts added to your other 5 outs to improve.
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