Is this unethical?

[ChipWrecked]

When I first came on here, there was a post about whether it's unethical to not inform the player next to you that you can see his/her hole cards.

I have played many more hours since, and I have my answer.

Don't lift your hole cards too high next to me.

Caveat emptor, pal.

[DukeSucks]

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It doesn't cost anything for the machines to pitch.

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Somebody has to buy the machines - maybe borrowed money to do it. They have to maintain the machines with parts and labor. They have to pay for the land where the machines are located - agagin maybe more borrowed money.

With these expense, zero revenue doesn't make a good business. You could be drving them out of business.

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plus the electricity used to run the machines

[stinkypete]

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Would it change things if the Ebay seller said that these tokens were bought at the same batting cages on some kind of multi token special, but he can no longer bat because of a bad back?

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yes.

[ThaSaltCracka]

its stealing, but so what. 2.50 is a lot.

[ChipWrecked]

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It doesn't cost anything for the machines to pitch.

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Somebody has to buy the machines - maybe borrowed money to do it. They have to maintain the machines with parts and labor. They have to pay for the land where the machines are located - agagin maybe more borrowed money.


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.....they have to cover the cost of their high school age labor letting their friends have all-night freebies.

It's not like the OP has an unending supply of tokens. He'll pay his way if he keeps coming back.

[Joseph Busti]

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Would it change things if the Ebay seller said that these tokens were bought at the same batting cages on some kind of multi token special, but he can no longer bat because of a bad back?

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Of course it would change things, the company recieved their money for providing the service.

[chesspain]

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Well then perhaps my ethics are way out of wack, because if identical Mirage chips could be found on Ebay for pennies on the dollar, I'd be the first one there bidding on them, and I have a feeling that many others would be, too. There is a reason why the big casinos pay so much to make sure their chips cannot be counterfeited easily.

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So the world is full of scummy douchebags like yourself. What's your point?

P.S. I find it disturbing that nearly 50% of respondants think that blatant stealing is O.K.

[Sooga]

Scummy douchebags? Ok, whatever. If I have a chance at a big reward with little risk (as is the case with these tokens, or a mirage counterfeit, or mp3s), then I'm going to take it, plain and simple. What makes me sick are judgmental people who look down upon something like this, and yet burn mp3s, or do other illegal types of activities and think nothing of it.

[pryor15]

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It may not be the same, but I always use those Self-Purchase MOvie Ticket machines at the large movie theaters and by senior tickets. I havent been stopped yet.

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that's awesome. i'm definitely trying that.

[fluorescenthippo]

Of course its unethical. You cannot possibly make an arguement for this not being unethical.

The poll "How bad is this?" is completely unrelated to the initial question because this is certainly unethical yet I would also certainly do it.