Set of Aces on VERY scary board...or I am very WEAK...

[Aaron W.]

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The point is that once you start making assumptions about other hands, the traditional x / 46 calculation (where x is your number of outs) is an inaccurate way to view your chances of making a winning hand.

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Who said anything about x/46? I'm saying that the extra information will help you compute your outs more correctly, especially when hands are farily readable.

Computing the drawing odds is a separate matter.

[arsixsixwy]

Oh, wait a second. I see what you're saying here now. You're saying that if we read an opponent for, say, JJ, then we don't very well have a J as an out. My argument was strictly concerning the combinatorics of the issue.

My apologies, outs do have be discounted a bit in this case, but I'm not sure it needs to be as drastic as being reduced from 10 to 5. I admit that I'm not especially sure how to approach this problem, though.

[Maurader1]

Thanks for all the replies...I'm certainly going to have to digest all this over some zzzs tonight!