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[CJC]

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You're the one who said a 3-bet on the river wouldn't be paid off a decent amount of the time that your opponent didn't have a boat.


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Forgive me, but I am not quite following what you are trying to say here.

CJ

[CJC]

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it would take a special guy to raise aces up into a probable flush

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Thank God, someone finally sees the issue ( and real point to the post ) Thats the problem with me thinking 3 bet on the river

CJ

[Roland]

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You're the one who said a 3-bet on the river wouldn't be paid off a decent amount of the time that your opponent didn't have a boat.


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Forgive me, but I am not quite following what you are trying to say here.

CJ

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You said he might fold aces up on the river to a 3-bet some amount of the time.
Ray said that consequently you should 3-bet with kings up as a bluff.
Then you said something like “do you really think he’s going to fold anything that beats kings in a pot that large”.
Get it? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Roland]

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it would take a special guy to raise aces up into a probable flush

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Thank God, someone finally sees the issue ( and real point to the post ) Thats the problem with me thinking 3 bet on the river

CJ

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A 3-bet on the river is - EV in any case. Even if he will always raise with aces up.

[CJC]

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You said he might fold aces up on the river to a 3-bet some amount of the time

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I don't recall EVER saying he might fold Aces-Up on the riv er. What I did say ( or meant too at least.. now i have to look ) is that who in their right mind will fold anything that can beat open kings for one more bet on the river for that size pot.

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CJ

[CJC]

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A 3-bet on the river is - EV in any case. Even if he will always raise with aces up

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I must say that after thinking about it substantially I tend to agree with you.

Do you think if my board wasn't showing any flush / straight possibilities that raising with Aces / up in the same situation would still be -EV?

CJ

[Roland]

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You said he might fold aces up on the river to a 3-bet some amount of the time

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I don't recall EVER saying he might fold Aces-Up on the riv er. What I did say ( or meant too at least.. now i have to look ) is that who in their right mind will fold anything that can beat open kings for one more bet on the river for that size pot.

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CJ

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I thought there was a real chance I was against tens full, and if I wasn't there was a decent chance my re-raise wouldn't have gotten pad off anyway.

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You said both. That’s what’s causing all this confusion.
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[Roland]

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A 3-bet on the river is - EV in any case. Even if he will always raise with aces up

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I must say that after thinking about it substantially I tend to agree with you.

Do you think if my board wasn't showing any flush / straight possibilities that raising with Aces / up in the same situation would still be -EV?

CJ

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Definitely not.
He knows you can’t have trip kings/kings full once he catches the case king on the river, so you would have to have rolled 4s or 6s in the hole or possibly have made a boat on the river to beat his aces up.

[CJC]

OK,

now I understand.. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I will try this again... [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

To Me, for a re-raise to be correct... I will have to 1) think he is raising with an inferior hand 2) I will have to get called by that inferior hand...

when I said....

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I thought there was a real chance I was against tens full, and if I wasn't there was a decent chance my re-raise wouldn't have gotten paid off anyway.



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what I meant by not getting paid off, I meant that if he was re-raising with garbage.. he wouldn't of called the 3 bet. I really wasn't expecting him to raise with Aces-Up ( nor would most of you if I am understanding your posts correctly ). I thought his most likely raise was 1) full boat 2) complete crap 3) possibly trip aces........ #1 was my first choice.. but for that size pot I certainly wasn't going to lay down my hand. ( and I was correct in not doing so,obviously )

Hopefully I have claryfied myself this time.. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

CJ

[Ray Zee]

there is no differenc in the games nowadays. its the same stuff with the best players winning the most money. what may happen in some locations is that the best players arent very goo, just alot better than their opponents. that makes them big winners not great players.