Would you consider this to be an insult?

[Smoothcall]

I think she may have abused it a bit or alot, but they shouldn't allow you that much time if they don't want someone to use it. She is operating within the rules.

[Daliman]

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Anyone who had the clock called on them 80 TIMES (according to Dali), deserves to be insulted at least 70 times.

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Wrong. you want to change the rules..then fine. But if the rules allow a player to take his time then there is nothing wrong with using the rules to your advantage. I would agree that the rule should be something like one clock per tournament before a penalty or one per round or something like that. But don't fault somone for playing within the rules.

P.S. Just so you know - I love you MMMMMMM

Vince

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Well, insulting someone isnlt against any rules either. Neither would screaming at the top of your lungs directly into her face while she "thought". You know better than to say just because something isnlt specifically against the rules, that doesn't make it ok. Steriods weren;t illegal in MLB until a few years ago, was that ok?

[Smoothcall]

I don't think its right for you to sream at he at the top of your lungs. I don't blame you for not liking it. But call a clock and leave it up to the tourney director to decide how long she has. Its like in online tournies many people stall in online tournies. And the ones that don't stall are at a disadvantage to the ones that do. They allow you time ansd everybody else stalls. But there will always be one or 2 guys at the table screaming at the staller and calling them all kinds of names. I always see those guys as totally out of line. Who are they to yell at the person and curse at them. If you don't like stalling in tournies take it up with a rules committee to eliminating the possibility. But as long as they allow it the short stacks that don't stall are at a disatvantage to the other tables short stacks that are stalling. So do they speed up so they don't get called all kinds of explitives by someone they don't know and be at a disadvantage or stall and take the heat? Stalling should be eliminated. But until its not if your not stalling when short your not getting the edge otyher short stacks are.

I'm not sure about this but didn't we have a tourney discussion like amonth ago where you said you would use any advantage to your benefit to make the most money you can. i think we were discussing calling the f word rule on a player to have her out and blinded down. Why is this any different? She is playing for BIG money and is stalling to move up spots which could be life changing to her. What more important to her in her life the money for her family? or some guy screaming at her to speed up?

They should limit the time drastically so that noone can take that long. But until they do its the rules fault that this can occur.

[MMMMMM]

Anyone who had the clock called on them 80 TIMES (according to Dali), deserves to be insulted at least 70 times.
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Wrong. you want to change the rules..then fine. But if the rules allow a player to take his time then there is nothing wrong with using the rules to your advantage. I would agree that the rule should be something like one clock per tournament before a penalty or one per round or something like that. But don't fault somone for playing within the rules.
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But I do fault people for things like that, when done to great excess. And I think they should be roundly leaned on, shamed, insulted and verbally hammered until they start showing everyone else at the table a modicum of courtesy. Why? Because if they do it repeatedly and consistently they're obviously doing it deliberately.

[MMMMMM]

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I think she may have abused it a bit or alot, but they shouldn't allow you that much time if they don't want someone to use it. She is operating within the rules.

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OK--try to imagine how your $15-$30 game would go if there was a player doing this on every hand, every decision? And remember, you can't quit or ask for a table change.

Would you think it's OK because it's within the rules? And what if it happened all week long?

I don't know how you would react, Smoothcall...but somehow I don't think this is something Vince would put up with for very long;-)

[Jackal]

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I don't think its right for you to sream at he at the top of your lungs. I don't blame you for not liking it. But call a clock and leave it up to the tourney director to decide how long she has. Its like in online tournies many people stall in online tournies. And the ones that don't stall are at a disadvantage to the ones that do. They allow you time ansd everybody else stalls. But there will always be one or 2 guys at the table screaming at the staller and calling them all kinds of names. I always see those guys as totally out of line. Who are they to yell at the person and curse at them. If you don't like stalling in tournies take it up with a rules committee to eliminating the possibility. But as long as they allow it the short stacks that don't stall are at a disatvantage to the other tables short stacks that are stalling. So do they speed up so they don't get called all kinds of explitives by someone they don't know and be at a disadvantage or stall and take the heat? Stalling should be eliminated. But until its not if your not stalling when short your not getting the edge otyher short stacks are.

I'm not sure about this but didn't we have a tourney discussion like amonth ago where you said you would use any advantage to your benefit to make the most money you can. i think we were discussing calling the f word rule on a player to have her out and blinded down. Why is this any different? She is playing for BIG money and is stalling to move up spots which could be life changing to her. What more important to her in her life the money for her family? or some guy screaming at her to speed up?

They should limit the time drastically so that noone can take that long. But until they do its the rules fault that this can occur.

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This is just silly logic. If you are going to operate on the premise "if it's within the rules, it's ok to do" then there is absolutely NO difference between taking a long time to make a decision and berrating someone for doing so. You think insulting someone is out of line, i think taking a long time to make a decision intentionally is probably moreso. The bottom line is, both are within the rules but neither are "Ok".

If you want to pretend like it's "ok" for someone to deliberately make long decisions frequently then don't be surprised when people insult her. If she has a problem with it, as you said, she can ask that the rules be changed.

[MicroBob]

In the various situations in question I would blame the tourney-directors more for not doing anything about it then for the player doing the actual stalling.

[Smoothcall]

I would call the floor if someone did that in my 15-30 game. It would not be within the rules the floorperson would tell her she needs to act now or leave the casino or whatever. There is a difference in that, and in a tourney when allowed very much time to act. Did u completely skip by my online example where everybody stalls?

I don't see the relevance of telling me what vince would do or not do. I hope your not implying we are the same person?

[Smoothcall]

exactly!

[Smoothcall]

If its within the rules then how is it silly logic. She is allowed to do it whether you like it or not. If people don't like it write to tournament directors to get the time reduced. And your example is ridiculously silly. I am allowed to take time. You cannot berate me. You can until i call a floor guy and if you don't stop your butt is gone from the tourney. Mine is not. I wonder why that is? Oh i know. One is within the rules and the other is inappropriate behavior that will get you thrown out of the tournament. Come and try chastizing me in a b&m cardroom while i'm making my decision and see how fast your out the door. While your on your way home i'll still be taking my alloted time.