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#31
07-13-2005, 02:31 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] opinions on the turn bet? at first glance I don't like it [/ QUOTE ] isn't this a case where you can bet-call the turn and check-fold unimproved if he bets the river... this costs the same as when you check-call the turn and kind of have to check-call the river as well since you gave up your initiative. or would you check-call the turn and check-fold the river? [/ QUOTE ] Every time I check in this situation, I end up giving JTo a free card, which looks a lot like what villain could have given the action, IMHO. Meh. 
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#34
07-13-2005, 02:41 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] i thin its a pretty easy bet. he will likely call you with any pair save a 6. lay down to a raise unless he is aggro or capable. [/ QUOTE ] I echo this except I would be calling a raise from unknowns and folding only if I have a read of passive. Of course I'm all used to 10/20. [/ QUOTE ]
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#35
07-13-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise
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#36
07-13-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise [/ QUOTE ] unless hes aggresive, I just fold to the raise. 7-1 on a broadway board with 2nd pair and the idiot end of a gutshot. Do we have to call?
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#37
07-13-2005, 03:44 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise [/ QUOTE ] unless hes aggresive, I just fold to the raise. 7-1 on a broadway board with 2nd pair and the idiot end of a gutshot. Do we have to call? [/ QUOTE ] imo this is a pretty damn good reason to check the turn. 2 pair might be good, trips might be good, straight might be good
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#38
07-13-2005, 03:45 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise [/ QUOTE ] unless hes aggresive, I just fold to the raise. 7-1 on a broadway board with 2nd pair and the idiot end of a gutshot. Do we have to call? [/ QUOTE ] I think it's close, as IMO any Q or J is good, and a 9 may be as well. Thus, I puke if raised.
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#39
07-13-2005, 03:49 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise [/ QUOTE ] unless hes aggresive, I just fold to the raise. 7-1 on a broadway board with 2nd pair and the idiot end of a gutshot. Do we have to call? [/ QUOTE ] imo this is a pretty damn good reason to check the turn. 2 pair might be good, trips might be good, straight might be good [/ QUOTE ] good point. I just hate the thought of giving a free card here tho, and being forced to check/call 2 streets if he bets. So I guess maybe btspider does have the best line.
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#40
07-13-2005, 03:54 PM
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Re: value bet debate
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I dont like a turn check [/ QUOTE ] I'm torn, as a raise would make me puke. [/ QUOTE ] btspider mentioned a good way of dealing with a raise [/ QUOTE ] unless hes aggresive, I just fold to the raise. 7-1 on a broadway board with 2nd pair and the idiot end of a gutshot. Do we have to call? [/ QUOTE ] imo this is a pretty damn good reason to check the turn. 2 pair might be good, trips might be good, straight might be good [/ QUOTE ] good point. I just hate the thought of giving a free card here tho, and being forced to check/call 2 streets if he bets. So I guess maybe btspider does have the best line. [/ QUOTE ] we might still have the best hand and he'll give up his semi-bluff on the river.
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