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Old 06-28-2005, 05:03 PM
multifast1 multifast1 is offline
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

OK, I've lookied into PT once and haven't used it before BUT to me it looks like you're doing raise analysis (whether it's +EV to push or not) rather than call analysis (should I call his all-in based on hand ranges).
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:03 PM
Eihli Eihli is offline
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

sngPT shows a call being -EV even if the SB pushes any 2 here.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:20 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

correct, this is why I have *approx* (and I hoped no one would care [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. The important fact was that I was tied for the chip lead, there was a player just about dead and someone in between.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

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sngPT shows a call being -EV [deleted even] if the SB pushes any 2 here.

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Old 06-28-2005, 05:23 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

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If you put him on TT+,A2+,K2+ (a bizarre range) then it's even money. Something like 22+,A2+,K2+, or even 99+,A2+,K2+, is a fold.

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It looks like that is probably the only range where it's non-negative EV to call given the original posters chip counts. However, if I adjust the counts to reflect 8000 total chips in a way that favors calling [2500,2500,2000,1000] then there are a lot more calling situations though many of them (like the above one) are completely unrealistic.

With modified chip counts (2500, 2500, 2000, 1000)...
TT+, AQ+: -6.6% EV
77+, A9+: -3.5% EV
22+, A2+, KQ, KJs: -1.4% EV
22+, A2+, K2+, Q9+: +0.2% EV
Any 2: -0.2% EV
22+, A2+, K2+, Q5+, J8+, T8+, 98, 54s, 65s, 76s, 87s: -0.1% EV (my super aggressive player range that i just made up now)
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:24 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

Maximize your win-rate and fold.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:26 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

Using that logic I would be far more inclined to call here with TT than AK.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:29 PM
Slim Pickens Slim Pickens is offline
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

Yeah. It's OK, but it is important to get the correct total number of chips in play when doing the ICM analysis. As long as the balance of chips is folded, we can just say you have 2.5k, SB has 2.5k, and 3k are elsewhere.
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Old 06-28-2005, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

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Using that logic I would be far more inclined to call here with TT than AK.

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I would be more inclined to call with TT, but not far more. I'm not sure I'd be inclined enough to actually call with TT. Given what the OP said his read was, I only call in this situation with AA, KK, maybe QQ. The situation changes dramatically as SB's puching range changes, and that change is non-linear, which I think is throwing some people here.

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Old 06-28-2005, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: On the bubble, tied for chip lead, fold AKs to all-in...

I haven't read this yet, but this is one of the easiest folds you can make. Read HOH again, it's in there.
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