Atheism is retarded...

[drudman]

Theism, atheism, and agnosticism are all senseless. To argue for or against any one of them amounts to nothing. Any propositions that arise from such a debate have no empirical value, and are not even real propositions.

Logical positivism rules.

[Sponger15SB]

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Here's the thing though...

Part of the theism debate, is, that there is no scientific way to prove the existence of a God.

When this is the case, it becomes impossible to scientifically DISPROVE the existence of God.


Given this, no one can be 100% certain that there is no God.


Thus, atheism is not a valid viewpoint, IMO.

Agnosticism, however, accepts that there is at least some non zero probability that there exists a God. Thus, making it a valid viewpoint.

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[CallMeIshmael]

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...Do you have a belief in god?

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I feel it likely, though I cannot conclude that:

P(God's existence) = 1

[CallMeIshmael]

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There aren't purple [censored] unicorns either...but I suppose I should be agnostic about their existence because there's a .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance that they actually do exist.

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FWIW, the number is probably a lot bigger than that, given the size of the universe.

But, that's another debate [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[CallMeIshmael]

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Here's the thing though...

Part of the theism debate, is, that there is no scientific way to prove the existence of a God.

When this is the case, it becomes impossible to scientifically DISPROVE the existence of God.


Given this, no one can be 100% certain that there is no God.


Thus, atheism is not a valid viewpoint, IMO.

Agnosticism, however, accepts that there is at least some non zero probability that there exists a God. Thus, making it a valid viewpoint.

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Given your statements, within this forum, you are one of the people whose viewpoint is invalid.

As such, it does not surprise me that you are unable to formulate your opinion into words.

[fluxrad]

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I feel it likely, though I cannot conclude that:


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Just out of curiosity, what makes you think it's likely that God exists?

[Sponger15SB]

I thought a picture of a big circle would do just fine.

Ok how about a link...

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/

[OtisTheMarsupial]

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agnosticism - suspend belief in god


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this is not correct. check out the link in my earlier post.

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Your link is not the only source of definitions.

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ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)
n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.
One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

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Felix is right.

[OtisTheMarsupial]

Ishmael, I have never even met the type of atheist you describe.

I doubt their existence.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Just out of curiosity, what makes you think it's likely that God exists?

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I know this is going to sound semi-absurd, but, my belief in God was actually the result of high level biology/evolution classes.

Everyone interprets what they are taught differently, and Im fully aware that those are the types of classes that tend to send theists the other way. But, there are certain things I've been taught, that I simply cant fathom to have occured without some external help. I choose to call that external help God.