So I folded AK on the bubble

[KenProspero]

Just read through the thread

Understand and agree completely re folding AK here.

One question -- let me change the facts just a bit. Make Hero the SB here, and put the short stack in hero's place.

If short stack goes all-in (as he probably should with any two), does it then become an easy call for Hero?

[microbet]

I'll answer before using Eastbay's computer program (notice I don't say tool or thingy).

Easy push.

[KenProspero]

Thougt so.

My posting may have been a bit confusing, however.

I'm assuming (under the revised facts) that UTG made his same bet, so calling and pushing are the same thing.

[microbet]

Doesn't look the same to me because BB has more chips than short stack.

[KenProspero]

I'm probably confused here (and it won't be the first time).

Original scenario was:

SB (t460)
BB (t1020)
UTG (t4590)
Hero (t1930)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
UTG raises to t2000, 3 folds.

I'm changing it as follows:


BB (t1020)
UTG (t4590)
Dealer (t460)
Hero (SB) (t1930)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A.
UTG raises to t2000, Dealer calls all in.

Hero???

It'a obviously a very different situation, I think that call/push is the right move for Hero, here.

[curtains]

The point is that UTG should NOT be moving allin with any 2 here, when the SB will call such a large % of the time. Thus QQ's value is not that high unless UTG is much more aggressive than they shuold be here.

[microbet]

That is a different and more interesting situation. I was thinking the big stack was out of it and you were just against small stack. This situation is something like this (quickly done - approx stack - possible mistakes)

.28 - fold
.35 - beat big stack, lose to little stack
.2 - big stack wins
.4 - beat both
0 - little stack wins all, big stack beats you

Here the big stack will push a bigger range, since the little stack is out of the blinds. The little stack, being out of the blinds will have a pretty tight range, hoping someone busts out.

I think you will probably get about .35 or so out of calling, which would make it a very clear call.

I did some pretty sloppy work here, so feel free to bust me.

[curtains]

Im sure that calling when the small stack has already called is clearly correct. It shouldn't be even remotely close.