"I value call my nuts"

[BatsShadow]

I totally agree with this. I think this river should be raised because your opponents were probably on flush draws or chasing with 2nd pair or something and will fold to one bet anyway. Raise in case one of them randomly caught two pair or decides to be stupid. At worst, you only get a call from the agressor, at best you get in a random raising war.

Caveat: I come from the much looser land of .5/1.

[ClaytonN]

Raise the turn, and let the action on 4th street dictate how you play the river.

[mackthefork]

Qualifier: I'm weak

I fold preflop, fold on the flop I count a probable 3 outs, and a gagillion redraws in a smallish pot. I raise the turn and call the river, or obviously bet if its checked to me and the 3rd diamond hasn't come.

Regards Mack

[imported_Reaction]

Raise the turn.

1. Your not folding hands that you want to protect against(i.e. flushes and most donks holding a nut gutter)and your relative postion sucks to extract max value, but this is indeed a value raise spot. Estimating(low) your equity at about 80%. If you raise and only get the bettor to call you are still making value.

2. There are something like 17 cards that destroy you on the river. One of the conditions of the overcall play requires none to a few cards crush you(0-4?).

3. When the hands that beat you do hit on the river you will be paying them off and when they don't hit you won't get any more from them. Get that value out of them now.


Going for overcalls on this river is good.
1. You have the second nuts.
2. If UTG+1 flop the nut striaght(unlikely) he only gets one more out of you.
3. Missed flushes/gutters won't call. But if any paired they might.

[Greg J]

Interesting hand. Thanks for posting. I like the flop call. First instinct among many of us would be raise, but this calls for a... er... call. The turn is debatable, but I think you should have raised. The flush draws are not going anywhere, and you have more equity than them, so make them pay you. Other cold callers are likely too, so I think a turn raise makes sense. As you only called the turn, I like the river call.

[car ramrod]

I think I would raise the turn. Someone is on a flush draw so they will call.

That being said a call wasn't too bad.

I think even a call on the river will get the other 2 to call, so I think I like the way you played it, although if it were me I know I would have thrown a raise in there some where.

nh