Thoughts on Empire Poker and the Zoo - Page 4

47outs · #1 05-06-2005, 05:40 PM

Clever spin but that would never hold up in court.

Not that any of this will make it to court [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

outs

Art Vandelay · #2 05-06-2005, 02:34 PM

Good post. I think we as online poker players (and I'm not a pro by any means but I certainly am a bonus whore) have taken a lot of things for granted. Rakeback and bonuses don't have to be offered by sites or affiliates, and a large percentage of us abuse these priveleges (myself included). It's only a matter of time before the sites wake up and realize they are costing themselves a lot of needless money by allowed whores like myself to basically get paid to play (when you play at certain levels, it's entirely possible to have >100% rakeback if you only bonus whore).

Part of me is happy to see rakeback/bonuses coming to an end. IMO there are a lot of players that use rakeback and/or bonuses to keep afloat. These players probably aren't winners, but they think they are because of bonuses. Without the life preserver of rakeback and bonuses these players will dry out and possibly the games will get a little better. I'll certainly miss the extra cash, every month I get at least $500 in bonus money that I use to pay bills or buy crap.

Empire can close my account if they like (they may have already, I haven't checked in a while). I'll find other places to play and if it comes to the worst situation, I know I can still play winning poker and make money the old fashioned way at the tables, by outplaying my opponents.

I also could go without FLFishon giving us a "I've won 943 consecutive days thanks to all of my bonuses" thread.

JordanIB · #3 05-06-2005, 02:40 PM

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Part of me is happy to see rakeback/bonuses coming to an end. IMO there are a lot of players that use rakeback and/or bonuses to keep afloat. These players probably aren't winners, but they think they are because of bonuses. Without the life preserver of rakeback and bonuses these players will dry out and possibly the games will get a little better.

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Ummmm....don't you want these players in your games?

PuckNPoker · #4 05-06-2005, 02:43 PM

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Ummmm....don't you need these players in your games?

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FYP

barongreenback · #5 05-06-2005, 02:49 PM

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Part of me is happy to see rakeback/bonuses coming to an end. IMO there are a lot of players that use rakeback and/or bonuses to keep afloat. These players probably aren't winners, but they think they are because of bonuses. Without the life preserver of rakeback and bonuses these players will dry out and possibly the games will get a little better.

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Ummmm....don't you want these players in your games?

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Online poker is big business and the sites have to compete with each other and this will usually mean some form of incentive. It's up to them to work out the form that comes in.

Personally I'd rather do without the regular Neteller shuffle. It'd better for the site if I just left my money with them but got a bonus/rakeback/whatever anyway.

Art Vandelay · #6 05-06-2005, 02:57 PM

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Part of me is happy to see rakeback/bonuses coming to an end. IMO there are a lot of players that use rakeback and/or bonuses to keep afloat. These players probably aren't winners, but they think they are because of bonuses. Without the life preserver of rakeback and bonuses these players will dry out and possibly the games will get a little better.

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I'm not talking about the super fish loose passives or the LAGs. I'm talking about the guy that is break even at best that sure you can make money off of, but when the guy is a 10 VPIP rock it makes the tables worse more than better. Seeing less of these 8 tabling rock fests woulnd't make me too mad no.

witeknite · #7 05-06-2005, 03:17 PM

Steal more.

WiteKnite

Greg J · #8 05-06-2005, 02:35 PM

Perhaps I misread previous posts (or trusted unreliable people) who state thier money has been confiscated.

BusterStacks · #9 05-06-2005, 02:37 PM

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I would say you did unless you have a link to it.

Greg J · #10 05-06-2005, 02:52 PM

Admittedly I have read mainly secondary accounts of confiscation, so perhaps I jumped the gun in earlier posts. I am still somewhat uncomfortable about this whole situation though. I guess I never expected this from IGM sites. Any any event, the bonus gravy train might be over, and if it is I'm okay with that (since I do win). But the way Empire seems to handling this is just making me useasy.