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Old 05-06-2005, 02:00 AM
beachbum beachbum is offline
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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He open-limped pf on the button. It wouldn't shock me if he turned over 2 UNO cards.

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Did he beat you with a pocket pair of "Reverse's"? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:18 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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But when dealing with open-limping from the button, we are dealing with a special kind of retardation.

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I can honestly say I've never open-limped from the button, but HEPFAP says there is a time to do it. (p. 197)
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:19 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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IMO, the rank of river plans goes:

check/fold > check/call > bet/fold > bet/call.

The parlay of a) him having a worse hand and b) him calling with that hand is such that the river bet is -EV, IMO.

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chance player is called by a worse hand < chance opp folds a better hand < chance player is called by a better hand

-SmileyEH

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Both of these posts get right to the heart of the matter.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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But when dealing with open-limping from the button, we are dealing with a special kind of retardation.

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I can honestly say I've never open-limped from the button, but HEPFAP says there is a time to do it. (p. 197)

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I think I'm going to do it more against TAG blinds just to f uck with their heads.

-SmileyEH
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:25 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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But when dealing with open-limping from the button, we are dealing with a special kind of retardation.

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I can honestly say I've never open-limped from the button, but HEPFAP says there is a time to do it. (p. 197)

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I think I'm going to do it more against TAG blinds just to f uck with their heads.

-SmileyEH

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This actually isn't that bad an idea.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:27 AM
Yobz Yobz is offline
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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But when dealing with open-limping from the button, we are dealing with a special kind of retardation.

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I can honestly say I've never open-limped from the button, but HEPFAP says there is a time to do it. (p. 197)

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I think I'm going to do it more against TAG blinds just to f uck with their heads.

-SmileyEH

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This actually isn't that bad an idea.

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Doesn't sound that bad, actually...but with what hands? Good holdings only I assume, so that you can sweat the heat that will be applied?
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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But when dealing with open-limping from the button, we are dealing with a special kind of retardation.

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I can honestly say I've never open-limped from the button, but HEPFAP says there is a time to do it. (p. 197)

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I think I'm going to do it more against TAG blinds just to f uck with their heads.

-SmileyEH

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This actually isn't that bad an idea.

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Doesn't sound that bad, actually...but with what hands? Good holdings only I assume, so that you can sweat the heat that will be applied?

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Uno cards.

-SmileyEH
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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I think I'm going to do it more against TAG blinds just to f uck with their heads.

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You need to learn to beat the censor.

I've done this a bit but think just stealing the blinds is better against most. When tighties feel like they're getting fuc[/i]ked with, they just leave the table.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:30 AM
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

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I've done this a bit but think just stealing the blinds is better against most. When tighties feel like they're getting fuc[/i]ked with, they just leave the table.

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this is bad?

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Old 05-06-2005, 02:33 AM
cold_cash cold_cash is offline
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Default Re: If you open-limp on the button, your IQ is 14

I think mixing it up is the best way to go, of course.

I've tinkered around with this some and have seen some interesting stuff.

First, you sometimes get paid off with your better hands because of your limp. I assume this is due to the "He would n't have limped on the Button with an Ace", line of thinking. This is especially true if they think you're a "good" player.

Secondly, some good players are less likely to play back aggressively against you, and will often times just check/fold the flop. I think if you raise and they have enough hand to fight back they kind of zero in and concentrate.

Also you might try it with your real whopper hands now and then, especially if either of the blinds is quick to raise if you limp. Then you can 3-bet immediately, or take another fancier/trapping line.

I'm not advocating becoming a total button-limper, these are just some thoughts based on my limited experimentation.
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