overvalue of AQ?

[Potowame]

I think most have said it , but I insta call.

You made the right move with what information you had on villians play and possible range of hands. If you ran into the highest part of his range , uhm that sux.

[schwza]

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Seems like a raise w/ only the bb to act screams to the bb "I'm stealing from you".

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right, which is why you should do it when you actually do have the goods and want him to play back with a weak hand.

[Rduke55]

What happened?

[2005]

It was Foreigner, and my chips did beat him in the pot. I don't really care about what happened in the hand, but for those that do, he had 54. Board was blanks until the 5 on the river. Meh

[durron597]

I think that getting all the chips in the middle is what you want, but you want to be the one raising, not the one calling. So if a limp would look suspicious I would play it as you did, but if I think I could provoke a limp-reraise from him I would prefer that. Why do you want to risk your tournament to the chip leader by calling allin when you can build your stack with less variance by picking off the smaller stacks. Yes the call is +EV, but with the steep structure at final tables it's more questionable.

I do think once you've raised, though, you have to call. The above doesn't mean you should play like a pair of 10 year old jeans.

[Pat Southern]

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I think that getting all the chips in the middle is what you want, but you want to be the one raising, not the one calling. So if a limp would look suspicious I would play it as you did, but if I think I could provoke a limp-reraise from him I would prefer that. Why do you want to risk your tournament to the chip leader by calling allin when you can build your stack with less variance by picking off the smaller stacks. Yes the call is +EV, but with the steep structure at final tables it's more questionable.

I do think once you've raised, though, you have to call. The above doesn't mean you should play like a pair of 10 year old jeans.

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I dont see why you would want to limp reraise, it just seems like fancy play syndrome to me. He's going to play back at you, and for your entire stack, a lot of the time with a ton of hands that AQ has beat, and sometimes crushed. I dont understand why you would prefer to raise him out of a small pot when you have him beat rather than call his allin when you have him beat.

[SoBeDude]

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I call.

Given the information in the second post, does anyone like a limp/reraise in this spot?

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If he's going to try to bully us by reraising, I say just let him do it, and we have our easy call. I think a limp/reraise might give him a chance to get away from a hand that we want him pushing over the top of us. It just seems that you'll still lose to the hands you beat, but might let him fold some of the hands that we want him to play back at us with for his whole stack.

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Very well said Pat and right on the money.

-Scott

[Pat Southern]

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Very well said Pat and right on the money.

-Scott

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Do you think I'm moving up on David Williams' list of MTT posters?

[2005]

HA, you've gotta be at least # 234123459287129341

[durron597]

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I dont understand why you would prefer to raise him out of a small pot when you have him beat rather than call his allin when you have him beat.

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Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=440587
pokenum -h ah qs - ad 9d
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ah 1134312 66.24 483212 28.22 94780 5.54 0.690
Ad 9d 483212 28.22 1134312 66.24 94780 5.54 0.310

I still bust 28% of the time here, and this is against a hand I dominate. I'm worse against two live cards...

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=673180
pokenum -h ah qs - 8d 9d
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ah 1000212 58.41 705439 41.20 6653 0.39 0.586
9d 8d 705439 41.20 1000212 58.41 6653 0.39 0.414

With a steep payout structure, do I really want to bust here 35% (the average of those two percentages, I don't feel like doing intense math at the moment) of the time, when I can bully the other players around and build my stack more slowly but with less variance?