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#31
04-30-2005, 06:42 PM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
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Is this shuffle really random online? [/ QUOTE ] Do you see what most dealers do in live games? A few riffles and a cut. Is that "random"? But if they shuffled more - lower rake AND more complaining about how sloooooooooooooooooow live play is. Barron Vangor Toth www.BarronVangorToth.com 
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#33
05-01-2005, 02:38 AM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
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[ QUOTE ] Do you believe the shuffle is really random online??? [/ QUOTE ] Yes. [/ QUOTE ] Start by defining random. Then give me examples of ANYTHING that is random. Should you define random as something beyond your power to predict, then the Poker sites hold up to that test. Beyond the power of ANYONE to predict, they do there best to guarantee that. You will have to mine your data for patterns and give statistical evidence to non-random patterns. Do that and we will take you a little more seriously. Computers are machines it is rather hard to get "random" output from them. Hence the terms "psuedo-random" and the like. I however believe in the fairness of the deal. Otherwise I would not play. If you do not believe you should only be playing with the goal to gather enough data to get proof. Pokertracker has the data, run some real analysis and show us the proof. -- tjh
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#34
05-01-2005, 10:30 AM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
** You guys are all missing the point **
Ralphie thinks that he may be being cheated. If true... It would have ** absolutely nothing ** to do... With Party's RNG... which I'm sure is just fine. If he's being cheated... It's because the RNG is turned OFF for one hand... And a pre-progammed sequence of cards is dealt... Designed to give a bad beat to a target player. Ralphie will be dealt QQ... flop QKK. Wow... An near absolute nut full house on the flop. Raise and re-raise. But... A calling station will be dealt AK... And an Ace will be the 7th card. It only makes sense to target winning players... With one bad beat per 100 hands. Highly regulated casinos have a long history... Of cheating unwelcome players. Once growth peaks... (And booms end and suddenly as they start)... And the real battle for market share begins... Offshore and unregulated. Pros that tap out the average players... Will become UNWELCOME... And will be run off. But Roy Cooke will be in every magazine... Swearing on his mother's grave... That guys like him... Keep online poker squeaky clean. Yesterday I got AA in the hole... Twice in 3 hands. Am I happy? Not really... it's too unnatural. rm+ [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#36
05-04-2005, 05:13 AM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
If you read the posts above that one you will probably see what I meant when I said I was not claiming the sites were rigged. What I meant to say (perhaps it was unclear) is that I do not beleive that the sites themselves are cheating people, but rathter that outsiders may have figured out ways to predict the hole cards or cards to be dealt.
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#37
05-04-2005, 06:35 AM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
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If you read the posts above that one you will probably see what I meant when I said I was not claiming the sites were rigged. What I meant to say (perhaps it was unclear) is that I do not beleive that the sites themselves are cheating people, but rathter that outsiders may have figured out ways to predict the hole cards or cards to be dealt. [/ QUOTE ] From the Party Poker security page: [ QUOTE ] We use 128-bit encryption, through Thawte Security, to ensure the highest level of security and privacy of your data, and all your information is kept confidential and is not shared or sold to third parties. [/ QUOTE ] Now, I'm not an encryption know-it-all, but I have read that it would take the fastest computer in the world several million years to crack 128-bit encryption, if not longer.
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#38
05-04-2005, 01:01 PM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
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[ QUOTE ] If you read the posts above that one you will probably see what I meant when I said I was not claiming the sites were rigged. What I meant to say (perhaps it was unclear) is that I do not beleive that the sites themselves are cheating people, but rathter that outsiders may have figured out ways to predict the hole cards or cards to be dealt. [/ QUOTE ] Now, I'm not an encryption know-it-all, but I have read that it would take the fastest computer in the world several million years to crack 128-bit encryption, if not longer. [/ QUOTE ] Splashpot is right. Cracking the standard encryption used today... Would take too much computer power to be feasible. Remember... You have only seconds to act. "Outsiders predicting cards"... Happened once in one well publicized instance... But that was years ago. That's why it's impossible today. The only cheating with cards... Can come from the poker site side... Where they shut down the Random Numer Generator for one hand... And deal a pre-programmed hand... Just the way Vegas casinos would bring in a mechanic. There would be no evidence... Because Party has 100% of the evidence... And no one would talk... Since only those actually involved would know. And even if there were caught red-handed... 1,000,000 poker site apologists would step forward... And screeeeeeeeam, "Just another loser complaining". If you guys only knew... How much cheating goes on at the New York Stock Exchange. Since I've been coming to 2+2... I've been ** shocked ** at the BLIND FAITH... Regular players have in unregulated poker sites. I must be a powerful form of denial... And beyond rational control. Hell... Ed Miller recommends avoiding Party... In This 2+2 Post Is Miller joking? Clueless? rm+ [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#39
05-04-2005, 01:02 PM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
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If you read the posts above that one you will probably see what I meant when I said I was not claiming the sites were rigged. What I meant to say (perhaps it was unclear) is that I do not beleive that the sites themselves are cheating people, but rathter that outsiders may have figured out ways to predict the hole cards or cards to be dealt. [/ QUOTE ] The sites are NOT rigged. People do NOT know what cards are coming next. As an earlier poster mentioned, what you are experiencing is VARIANCE. People are going to chase their draws and often times they are going to get there. Learn to deal with it and realize that these players make the game profitable. Amid aka Groo aka Denim
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#40
05-04-2005, 01:40 PM
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Re: Do you believe the shuffle is really random online???
If you're trying to be hilarious, you're succeeding. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
If you're serious, you're silly.
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