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Old 04-25-2005, 03:18 PM
The Student The Student is offline
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

Why it's none other than Kylie Minogue! I can't get her out of my head - she's almost as hot as Yugo's avatar.

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(who is a student of all hottie pop stars)
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

no probs for me with that flop, no, my cojones shrink (like snow?) facing AKx. They should right?
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

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8,8 is a big hand three handed. You are very likely to have the best hand preflop, and in this situation, you are looking to double up so you can make a run for first. Getting all your chips to the center with the best of it has to be the right move here, whether or not you get called.

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A stop-and-go might be better than allin. It depends on the opponent.

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I don't really like stopping and going when the raise is less than a fourth of your stack. I like to stop and go when I know that I'm investing so much of my stack that I have to get all my chips in on the flop no matter what falls, but there's a decent chance my opponent doesn't know that. With these chips stacks there's still room for me to get away from my hand on the flop, which means I could still be faced with a tough decision postflop. It goes from "stop and go" to "stop and play a marginal hand out of position for a lot of chips," which is something I try to avoid. I'd rather keep things simple and try to use my fold equity preflop to take it down. With less chips I definitely pull a stop and go here though. Against weak opponents I use a stop and go with these stacks as well.

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Old 04-25-2005, 03:54 PM
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Why it's none other than Kylie Minogue! I can't get her out of my head - she's almost as hot as Yugo's avatar.

ts-
(who is a student of all hottie pop stars)

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I KNEW I recognized her, but I couldn't place her. Thanks, now I can stop staring at the pic trying to figure it out (not that it was a bad thing...).
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:55 PM
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?


This is a very very easy allin.
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:57 PM
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

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8,8 is a big hand three handed. You are very likely to have the best hand preflop, and in this situation, you are looking to double up so you can make a run for first. Getting all your chips to the center with the best of it has to be the right move here, whether or not you get called.

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A stop-and-go might be better than allin. It depends on the opponent.

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I hate stop and go here against all opponents. Their raise was simply too small and your hand is way too big in a 3 handed game.
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:57 PM
dfscott dfscott is offline
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Who is that?


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The Game & 50 Cent.

Yugoslav
Who is now trying to figure out if dfscott's rap is original or modified...and if modified...from whom?

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Sorry, mine is wholly original, which makes it not nearly as clever.

For some reason, the second verse just popped into my head and I couldn't get it out, so I put together a two-line intro to purge it from my head...
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

Also your opponent was correct to call you with ATs, assuming you are a good player. However their original raise to 400 wasn't correct. Raising to 400 and folding with ATs in a 3 handed game and 1700 chips would be so incredibly weak it's not even funny. So at least he got half of it right. Just the fact that you are surprised by such a call shows that you need to work on your 3 handed and probably headsup game.
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:03 PM
Phil Van Sexton Phil Van Sexton is offline
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Default Re: just how good are snowmen?

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8,8 is a big hand three handed. You are very likely to have the best hand preflop, and in this situation, you are looking to double up so you can make a run for first. Getting all your chips to the center with the best of it has to be the right move here, whether or not you get called.

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A stop-and-go might be better than allin. It depends on the opponent.

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I hate stop and go here against all opponents. Their raise was simply too small and your hand is way too big in a 3 handed game.

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I agree it the raise is too small for stop and go against most players. However, I've see a suprising number of "min-raise then call" specialists lately at the 50s/30s. This move is dumb with AT, but if he's been doing this, then I'd probably opt for the stop and go.
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:10 PM
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I still don't like it. First off you will be letting dominated hands like A6s off too often and lower pairs like 77 and less. Secondly you are letting the BB in for 200 chips with a very vulnerable hand. The liklihood that they will at least call here, should be pretty signifigant. The 700 chips in the pot are very valuable and I want to take them right away.
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