Stoxtrader hand

[YoureToast]

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I think that this hand is a very good example of the types of mistakes people make when they play a hand "one street at a time". This flop is absolutely atrocious for us. It is the perfect flop for us to be reverse dominated by KQ or AQ, and our K also completes the most common draw in holdem, JT. There is no flush draw, so we know that anyone who puts in money either has JT or has enough hand to beat our A high. But we decide to bet the flop anyway because the pot is large and we 3 bet preflop, but we obviously know there is a decent shot for it to get raised. We know the pot will be too big for us to fold for one more bet. Then on the turn, that pot is going to be mighty big again so we'll probably call a bet. So our flop bet basically sets off a chain of events where we are very likely going to put 2 big bets into a pot that we are extremely unlikely to win. And if we do make our hand, we still can't jam it. I hate the flop bet, and I hate the turn call. I think checking and calling on the flop is close and could still be a mistake.

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Great post. And I agree with your conclusion.

[RicktheRuler]

I learned something valuable from this post. I don't play this high, but read posts from you guys to find things like this.

[ggbman]

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I think that this hand is a very good example of the types of mistakes people make when they play a hand "one street at a time". This flop is absolutely atrocious for us. It is the perfect flop for us to be reverse dominated by KQ or AQ, and our K also completes the most common draw in holdem, JT. There is no flush draw, so we know that anyone who puts in money either has JT or has enough hand to beat our A high. But we decide to bet the flop anyway because the pot is large and we 3 bet preflop, but we obviously know there is a decent shot for it to get raised. We know the pot will be too big for us to fold for one more bet. Then on the turn, that pot is going to be mighty big again so we'll probably call a bet. So our flop bet basically sets off a chain of events where we are very likely going to put 2 big bets into a pot that we are extremely unlikely to win. And if we do make our hand, we still can't jam it. I hate the flop bet, and I hate the turn call. I think checking and calling on the flop is close and could still be a mistake.

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This is an excellent summary, right on.

[DpR]

I agree it is very unlikely you have 6 clean outs, but 13-1 that may turn into 15-1 is a nice price. In order to minimize regret I think it is a turn call. I also think there is a lot of merit to Paulka's suggestion of check call, check fold - where the pot would not be as large. There is probably a lot of money to be saved in most people's games with missed AKs. This is big pot though...

[Ulysses]

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apparantly stox was the BB and i play it the same on the flop.

betting out on that flop is like trying to hit a cheerleader in the poop shoot.

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I am confused. Are you saying betting the flop is something you thing you should do? Or are you saying you should not try to hit a cheerleader in the poop shoot?

[Nick B.]

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apparantly stox was the BB and i play it the same on the flop.

betting out on that flop is like trying to hit a cheerleader in the poop shoot.

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I am confused. Are you saying betting the flop is something you thing you should do? Or are you saying you should not try to hit a cheerleader in the poop shoot?

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[Danenania]

Maybe the cheerleader has a smaller than average poop shoot?