Interesting hand in SH college freezeout.

[Prevaricator]

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Easy fold. First, there's more than enough action on the flop to convince you that continuing is foolhardy. Yes, you may be folding the winner, but you are out of position and will have to deal with a lot more guessing on future streets.

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Vs these two players this is not an easy fold. A fold might be an okay play, but its not so clear cut. Both of these players are good, and I can't just sit back and wait for stuff. Also, Andy's raise isn't necessarily strength; its just about always a hand worse than KJ (45 is possible, but AJ can be thrown out, and big overpairs probably can as well -- Andy is smart enough to not limp on the button with AA after raising everything else up to this point).

[ML4L]

Hey Bruiser,

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" It also sucks because you are setting yourself up to be put in tough spots later in the hand"

i really don't see many hard situations for KJ coming up because i will be scared. how could i reraise with QQ with that action when it got back to me, and why?? i would consider a fold and call. reraising with QQ there really seems like overplaying with QQ and is letting myself get trapped.

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The reason that I hope you would raise with QQ is because I presume that you would also raise here as a bluff some percentage of the time. The same way that a reraise by original poster shows an immense amount of strength, a reraise by you does the same. I think that a reraise by you represents an overpair or set and leaves your opponents guessing whether you would go to the felt with your hand. There is $700 in there coming back to you if original poster coldcalls. I think that a reraise of $600 more is going to take the pot a high percentage of the time. So, the reason that I don't like a call by original poster is beacuse you SHOULD be coming back over the top of that call whether you have a hand or not, because hand probabilities say that original poster usually can't stand the reraise (let's say he always calls with a set or a good jack; think of how much more often he has a good jack based on hand distribution, particularly given that he didn't raise preflop, meaning probably no JJ).

So, the point to both you and original poster is that a situation has arisen where a lot of money has been put in the pot by what are likely to be sub-par hands. There is an opportunity for whoever wants to take it. I think that original poster should take the opportunity, and if he doesn't, you definitely should.

Make sense?

Mike