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Old 04-09-2005, 01:41 AM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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curtains makes a good point, and brings up another aspect to look at before pushing. IF the blinds go to war, the equity is around 200 dollars, yes. but thats assuming this happens EVERY time, which it wont. assume it occurs HALF the time, at best, then its worth 100, which makes it better than pushing.

through further analysis, it seems that both push and fold are correct plays. go figure. however, NOT pushing, and letting the small stacks kill each other could be worth more, assuming they go to war more than about 20%, which is POSSIBLE, but not guaranteed, making not pushing possibly more correct. possibly. so it appears that i made the correct play by pushing, but MAYBE there could have been a more correct play. maybe. holla

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Old 04-09-2005, 01:52 AM
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curtains makes a good point, and brings up another aspect to look at before pushing. IF the blinds go to war, the equity is around 200 dollars, yes. but thats assuming this happens EVERY time, which it wont. assume it occurs HALF the time, at best, then its worth 100, which makes it better than pushing.

through further analysis, it seems that both push and fold are correct plays. go figure. however, NOT pushing, and letting the small stacks kill each other could be worth more, assuming they go to war more than about 20%, which is POSSIBLE, but not guaranteed, making not pushing possibly more correct. possibly. so it appears that i made the correct play by pushing, but MAYBE there could have been a more correct play. maybe. holla

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raptor, my friend...you may be onto something.
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Old 04-09-2005, 02:54 AM
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Default Re: STEP 5. to push or not to push

Adding onto this, I think as a general rule, any hand containing a deuce or a three isnt much of a pushing hand IMO.
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Old 04-09-2005, 03:03 AM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default Re: Fold

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curtains makes a good point, and brings up another aspect to look at before pushing. IF the blinds go to war, the equity is around 200 dollars, yes. but thats assuming this happens EVERY time, which it wont. assume it occurs HALF the time, at best, then its worth 100, which makes it better than pushing.

through further analysis, it seems that both push and fold are correct plays. go figure. however, NOT pushing, and letting the small stacks kill each other could be worth more, assuming they go to war more than about 20%, which is POSSIBLE, but not guaranteed, making not pushing possibly more correct. possibly. so it appears that i made the correct play by pushing, but MAYBE there could have been a more correct play. maybe. holla

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OMFG...THE RAPTORS HAVE LEARNED TO OPEN DOORS!
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Old 04-09-2005, 08:30 AM
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curtains makes a good point, and brings up another aspect to look at before pushing. IF the blinds go to war, the equity is around 200 dollars, yes. but thats assuming this happens EVERY time, which it wont. assume it occurs HALF the time, at best, then its worth 100, which makes it better than pushing.

through further analysis, it seems that both push and fold are correct plays. go figure. however, NOT pushing, and letting the small stacks kill each other could be worth more, assuming they go to war more than about 20%, which is POSSIBLE, but not guaranteed, making not pushing possibly more correct. possibly. so it appears that i made the correct play by pushing, but MAYBE there could have been a more correct play. maybe. holla

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OMFG...THE RAPTORS HAVE LEARNED TO OPEN DOORS!

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Old 04-09-2005, 09:46 AM
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Default Re: STEP 5. to push or not to push

vinnipuh is one of those russian guys accused in another thread of collusion in these step 5's
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Old 04-09-2005, 11:34 AM
Voltron87 Voltron87 is offline
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Default Re: Fold

ROFFLE

Dali I don't think you explained yourself that well in this thread. If you were a bigger stack how would that affect your decision? If SB and BB were bigger?
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Old 04-09-2005, 12:39 PM
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Default Re: Fold

yea im slowly learning, some guy is kinda like my mentor, and im TRYING to learn a thing or two from him [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] holla
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Old 04-09-2005, 01:17 PM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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ROFFLE

Dali I don't think you explained yourself that well in this thread. If you were a bigger stack how would that affect your decision? If SB and BB were bigger?

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To tell you the truth, I'm holding back some because the are some issues I plan on addressing when I put up my website in about a month. I'd like them to be revolutionary ideas, if not at least revelatory, and hopefully not revolting....

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Old 04-09-2005, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: STEP 5. drowning by numbers

Using my own Step5 equity cruncher :
(starting equity is 1)

ev sequence
2.26 before
2.27 b,sb folds
2.45 sb pushes and loses
2.4 sb pushes and wins
2.26 sb pushes and wins bb
2.58 b pushes and wins blinds
1.16 b pushes and loses to bb
1.45 b pushes and loses to sb
3.42 b pushes and wins against both blinds
1.73 b pushes, both blinds call, bb wins
2.09 b pushes, both blinds call, sb wins, b wins side pot
1.24 b pushes, both blinds call, sb wins, bb wins side pot

Now, it's only a question of assigning probalbilities to the different outcomes and the best play can be determined.

Alix
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