Floormen, managers, dealers: Want to be an expert witness? (long) - Page 4

Mason Malmuth · #31 04-03-2005, 03:50 PM

Hi talk:

But I'm not the arbitrator, so what I might or might not do doesn't matter. Again, if they have you on tape not taking the rake several times, you have no chance.

Best wishes,
Mason

youtalkfunny · #32 04-03-2005, 06:55 PM

Oh yeah? I'll show you! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

elwoodblues · #33 04-04-2005, 12:22 AM

I agree with Mason here. Something just doesn't pass the smell test with your story. Two dealers in a row forgetting to take rake in several hands is really, really odd.

27offsuit · #34 04-04-2005, 01:30 AM

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So to make a long story short, they fired you because they figured you were in on the rake/tip scam that the next dealer committed. Wow that kinda sucks. I would get a lawyer and sue the casino..this sure seems like unlawful termination to me.

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Yah, that's it, get a lawyer.....and sue the casino!

He's an unemployed dealer, you yutz. Unemployed dealers don't sue casinos, you ninny.

Asshat.

betgo · #35 04-04-2005, 01:34 AM

That is true if he really failed to take the rake. If they said to him "what if we told you we had it on tape", then they probably didn't actually have that on tape and were fishing. He probably got fired because he seemed to admit to not taking the rake and because the other guy who was fired tried to blame him.

It is fine to appeal the unemployment, but I don't think it is wise to make a big issue over this.

Randy_Refeld · #36 04-04-2005, 01:41 AM

I know both youtalkfunny and the casino management in this case. I know when you are tired and haven't had a break you make mistakes dealings, that is why dealers need breaks. Knowing all the parties involved it is more likely that there either is no tape of him not taking the rake or the pots weren't supposed to be raked in the first place than he missed taking the rake.

RR

Mason Malmuth · #37 04-04-2005, 05:02 AM

Hi Randy:

Now this can change things. If there is no tape, then youtalkfunny should still have a job. If there is a tape of him failing to take the rake on several different hands he has no chance.

So if there is some chance that no tape exists, youtalkfunny should get an attorney who knows how to deal in these matters.

best wishes,
Mason

Quaalude · #38 04-04-2005, 07:52 AM

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Hi Randy:

Now this can change things. If there is no tape, then youtalkfunny should still have a job. If there is a tape of him failing to take the rake on several different hands he has no chance.

So if there is some chance that no tape exists, youtalkfunny should get an attorney who knows how to deal in these matters.

best wishes,
Mason

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Problem is, he's already signed a "confession" stating that he failed to take rake, thus returning to my original comment about never signing anything in such a situation. He gave the casino grounds to terminate him when they likely had nothing to begin with. If they had reasonable evidence to fire him before that, they probably wouldn't have wasted their time trying to extract a signed confession.

Most people don't seem to realize that police/FBI/interrogators/whatever, unless they are under oath (as in a court room), are under no obligation to tell you the truth. The investigator in question didn't even quite lie, actually ("What if I told you that we have you on videotape, NOT taking the rake on three separate hands? At 4:32 AM, 4:41 AM, and 4:53 AM? What would you say about that?") The correct response to such a question would have been something like, "Oh really? Could I see that tape, please?"

Anyway, good luck with your unemployment compensation quest.

-Travas

JoshuaD · #39 04-04-2005, 09:05 AM

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Hi Randy:

When dealers are trained the thing that's emphasized the most is be sure to take the rake. I agree that there are times when the amount raked isn't correct, but forgetting to rake is a different story.

Best wishes,
mason

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Hey Mason,

I just recently went through a reputable dealing school, and getting the rake wasn't particularly emphasized. It was covered thoroughly, but keeping the game moving was emphasized much more.

I've yet to have dealt in a casino, so I don't know if missing the rake is common, I'm just speaking about dealing school.

adsman · #40 04-04-2005, 09:51 AM

You seem more concerned with clearing your good name than being fired. Getting fired unjustly sucks, particularly if they invent scenarios and trap you into admitting or signing documents that bolster their argument. When you are accused of being a thief, then your indignation level can really rise.
My advice to you; if you won't have any problems getting another job and this dismissal won't affect your ability to get another job, let it go.

I was in the exact same situation a few years ago. I got strung up on a phoney stealing charge, ($80 missing from a $4500 float that was in my possession for 3 days in the Ugandan savanna). In my naiveity I resigned rather than being fired as I thought that that would show them that I wasn't a thief. Of course, that was just what they wanted. They wanted to get rid of me for other reasons and the best thing they could come up with was the phoney stealing charge. I ranted and raved about being called a thief when I wasn't, but the end result was that they wanted me gone.

That casino wanted you gone as well, so they trapped you, you fell for it, and here we are. Learn from it. There has been some good advice in this thread about what not to do when put in that situation. The casino doesn't give a shiit about you - why waste your precious time trying to get them to change their mind?