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#31
03-17-2005, 05:34 PM
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Re: Folding KK
All right, I'm steamed now.
This is an immensely +$EV call here. Immensely over folding. Rarely will you ever see me recommend (or do) a play that will have such immense +$EV plays. The probability that SB has AA is 0.2%. I would have put SB on AK or JJ at best. Ran through poker stove. Range of hands for Button: A7+, 66+, KJs+, KQ, QJs Range of hands for SB: 88+, AQ+ Pokerstove results Hero: 57.5% win probability SB: 23.3% win probability Button: 19.22% win probability I might give opponents too much credit for hand strengths (obviously represented here by SB), but folding KK is an impossibility for me here. Who the hell is "therock" anyway? 
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#34
03-17-2005, 06:11 PM
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Re: Folding KK
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The chance that the SB has AA is much higher than 0.2% Of course this doesn't change the fact that this is an easy call. [/ QUOTE ] It is? 6 ways to make AA. 2,574 total hand combinations. Math comes to .00233. So you're right, it's 0.033% higher. Is that what you mean by "much" higher? Or do you do the 1 hand out of 169 total hand combos for 0.59%. This is incorrect. It doubles the probabilites for pairs.
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#36
03-17-2005, 06:27 PM
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Re: Folding KK
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It's much higher than .2% because he put all his money in the pot. That should eliminate about 70-80+% of all holdem hands. [/ QUOTE ] OK you got me. Based on that assumption, and my calling range, we're giving about an 8% probability SB has AA.
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#37
03-17-2005, 07:26 PM
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What\'s the highest pocket pair you would fold in this situation?
What's the concenus on the highest pair you would fold in this situation? I'm thinking I would fold JJ. Not sure about QQ - I've been bit too many times.
Pasta
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#38
03-17-2005, 07:33 PM
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Re: Folding KK
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I am sure one of them has AA so I fold. [/ QUOTE ] Do you think you're Phil Hellmuth? Call with your awesome hand. You've got them beat. One probably has AKs and the other QQ or JJ. Or, the raiser may be bluffing and the caller has AKs, QQ, or JJ. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Bling.
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#39
03-17-2005, 10:25 PM
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Re: Folding KK
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It's a widely known fact that Phil Helmuth is the only player in the world good enough to fold kings preflop. Unless you are Phil Helmuth, don't fold. Slim [/ QUOTE ] I wonder if Phil Hellmuth would fold kings if somebody misspelled his name enough times.
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