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03-05-2005, 01:59 AM
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Re: Someone Enlighten Me
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[ QUOTE ] Because it's bullshit. Wouldn't you be pissed if you wanted to go to a show but it was sold out because half the tickets were bought by scalpers who are now going to sell them to you at twice the price? [/ QUOTE ] You fail to understand certain basic facts. First, scalpers often overestimate the demand for certain tickets. They are then forced to sell their overstock at a price *below* the initial market value. This happens all the time. [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes I see that at sporting events, but at concerts they are always overpriced. I went to see Phish in concert last summer, it was their third to last show I think. I bout the tickets in advance online for $50 each, and there were people selling them for $300-$500 right outside the concert. [ QUOTE ] Second, scalpers increase the profitability of putting on a concert, which increases the supply of concerts. [/ QUOTE ] Not if there are enough people who actually want to see the show. [ QUOTE ] Those points aside, the simple fact is that scalpers are engaging in completely voluntary monetary transactions of perfectly legal commodities, and that it is economically inefficient to restrict such transactions in any way whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah it's legal, but its crap. Monopolies were legal too at one point, but they were also crap. It's making the consumer pay more for the exact same product they could've gotten for less if the scalpers hadn't of bought them first. It's just a douchey thing to do. [ QUOTE ] Anyway, read this: Bastiat [/ QUOTE ] I'm tired now, maybe tomorrow... 
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#32
03-05-2005, 02:01 AM
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Re: A quick message to all Ticket Scalpers.
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You bought counterfeits. Way to go moron. [/ QUOTE ] Not quite. I was trying to buy Nine Inch Nails tickets. Only to be shutout within seconds. Only to find the tickets on ebay charging 6 times as much. Thats what my rant is about. I've bought tickets off at the door scalpers, and i've negotiated with them as well. What gets me mad is these people who are doing this JUST to take advantage of people who want to see a concert/sports event/whatever. It's bad enough Ticketmaster rips you off..
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#33
03-05-2005, 02:02 AM
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Re: Someone Enlighten Me
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Because it's bullshit. Wouldn't you be pissed if you wanted to go to a show but it was sold out because half the tickets were bought by scalpers who are now going to sell them to you at twice the price? [/ QUOTE ] You fail to understand certain basic facts. First, scalpers often overestimate the demand for certain tickets. They are then forced to sell their overstock at a price *below* the initial market value. This happens all the time. [/ QUOTE ] Sometimes I see that at sporting events, but at concerts they are always overpriced. I went to see Phish in concert last summer, it was their third to last show I think. I bout the tickets in advance online for $50 each, and there were people selling them for $300-$500 right outside the concert. [ QUOTE ] Second, scalpers increase the profitability of putting on a concert, which increases the supply of concerts. [/ QUOTE ] Not if there are enough people who actually want to see the show. [ QUOTE ] Those points aside, the simple fact is that scalpers are engaging in completely voluntary monetary transactions of perfectly legal commodities, and that it is economically inefficient to restrict such transactions in any way whatsoever. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah it's legal, but its crap. Monopolies were legal too at one point, but they were also crap. It's making the consumer pay more for the exact same product they could've gotten for less if the scalpers hadn't of bought them first. It's just a douchey thing to do. [ QUOTE ] Anyway, read this: Bastiat [/ QUOTE ] I'm tired now, maybe tomorrow... [/ QUOTE ] It might be "douchey," but restricting it is even more "douchey." Anyway, I'm not such a fan of scalpers either, but I absolutely defend their right to do what they do, as well as the economic efficiencies that their profession provides.
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03-05-2005, 02:33 AM
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Re: A quick message to all Ticket Scalpers.
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[ QUOTE ] You bought counterfeits. Way to go moron. [/ QUOTE ] Not quite. I was trying to buy Nine Inch Nails tickets. Only to be shutout within seconds. Only to find the tickets on ebay charging 6 times as much. Thats what my rant is about. I've bought tickets off at the door scalpers, and i've negotiated with them as well. What gets me mad is these people who are doing this JUST to take advantage of people who want to see a concert/sports event/whatever. It's bad enough Ticketmaster rips you off.. [/ QUOTE ] I really want to see NIN on this tour (never seen them before). Unfortunately, they aren't doing a show anywhere close to me. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#36
03-05-2005, 02:45 AM
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Re: Someone Enlighten Me
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I bout the tickets in advance online for $50 each, and there were people selling them for $300-$500 right outside the concert. [/ QUOTE ] asking price? or selling price? I've NEVER paid a scalpers asking price for concert tickets.
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#37
03-05-2005, 03:00 AM
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I'm still on the fence about whether I personally feel it should be legal or not. I definetely don't view it as ethical. [/ QUOTE ] It's no different than the sale of any othr good. Just because it's one you happen to want but can't afford, doesn't make it unethical.
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#38
03-05-2005, 06:50 AM
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Re: A quick message to all Ticket Scalpers.
As mentioned in other posts, scalpers/brokers do assume a fair amount of risk.
When I went to the 1997 Rose Bowl, it was the first time Washington State had been there in 67 years. Also, Michigan was playing for a share of the national championship. The ticket brokers, when they were selling their Rose Bowl packages earlier in the year, had no idea what the demand would be. They had promised customers tickets at a certain price as part of the packages they sold. When I arrived in Pasadena and picked up my tickets a few days before the game, the brokers were swarming all over, buying tickets from fans because they couldn't get enough through their normal channels for their customers. Here's the kicker -- I was offered more than $1,000 for my ticket (face value was $75 back then, if I remember correctly) -- so the broker could turn around and give it to a customer who had paid, say, $200 for it. The brokers had to either take a big loss on the tickets, or screw over their customers -- and potentially ruin their business. This may have been a "perfect storm" kind of situation, but I sure wouldn't have wanted to be in a broker's shoes that year. (BTW, my friends took away my ticket, because I was making about $8 an hour at that point and $1,000+ would have gone a LONG way. I would have sold my ticket in a heartbeat. But I'm glad they saved me from doing it, because that game was a blast.)
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#40
03-05-2005, 07:30 AM
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Re: A quick message to all Ticket Scalpers.
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[ QUOTE ] I realize this, but it still doesn't make it wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Do you realize that Diamonds would be 10x cheaper if DeBeers wasn't hoarding all of the diamond mines? A $15,000 rock should cost you less than $1,500. Lack of competition is never a good thing. [/ QUOTE ] this always made me sooooo sad...i LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE...ok...im OBSESSED with diamonds and he stashes 294234902390420394290 of them to increase value [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] but i buy them (hehe or get them as gifts!!!) nonetheless and the price isnt the APPEAL for me...being a GIRL...its the fact that they go with anything i have. I have rubys emeralds and tanzanite stuff too, as well as other kinds, but they dont always match everything, diamonds complement everything
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