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#31
02-25-2005, 11:04 PM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
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Tyson was very good in his prime, but he was easily flustered when people could take his shots and punch back. Ali in a wide decision or a late round KO over a tired Tyson. [/ QUOTE ] 
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#32
02-25-2005, 11:13 PM
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Re: Tyson...
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[ QUOTE ] So what happened with Tyson? There were no decent fighters for him to box? [/ QUOTE ] When he fought fighters who prepared for him or of equal talent he lost again and again. [/ QUOTE ] 5 losses is again & again?
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#33
02-25-2005, 11:19 PM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
I think a well developed Rooney/D'Amato trained fighter could stand a chance. Tyson never really reached a true prime, he just slowly faded when other things began to happen in his life, like King, the rape, and Givens.
Tyson would not get as outboxed and outskilled as he did in his losses if he kept his head in the game.
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#35
02-25-2005, 11:45 PM
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Re: Tyson...
"bottom line, IMO, tyson didn't have the capacity to lose in his prime, ali did."
Ali had a large portion of his prime stolen from him- tyson lost to James "Buster" Douglas in his prime. Yeah, he wasn't prepared for the fight, but it showed how a second rate boxer with something to prove oculd put tyson down. Holyfield also gave tyson fits after his jail time- tyson wasn't the same, but a large part of tyson's advantage came from a psycological dominance of his opponents. Ali wouldn't be intimidated- the rumble in the jungle? Foreman was an absolute BEAST back then. And Ali didn't let his fear (which he admitted to in later interviews) affected him at all. He in fact turned it against Foreman- he was much better psycologically- my better intellectually than tyson, and strong and fast enough to keep up with tyson.
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#36
02-25-2005, 11:47 PM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
If you've never seen When We Were Kings, then you need to. Goerge Foreman was the Tyson of his day (and a much better boxer). He was mowing down opponents on his way to the title fight with Ali. Ali did not overwhelm Foreman but fought a smart fight (rope-a-dope) and knocked Foreman out. Nothing less would happen to Tyson. Tyson has gone down to the better boxer every time. A case could be made for Tyson being the most overrated athlete in history. Ali deserves every sports accolade he has gotten. See the movie, you won't regret it. "Ali, Boom-Bah Yea!"
Russ
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#37
02-25-2005, 11:52 PM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
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Tyson would not get as outboxed and outskilled as he did in his losses if he kept his head in the game. [/ QUOTE ] yeah, but thats one aspect of fighting. I dont think its possible for tyson to keep his head in the game. The guy is a borderline nutjob.
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#39
02-25-2005, 11:59 PM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
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[ QUOTE ] The guy is a borderline nutjob. [/ QUOTE ] Correction: The guy is a full on nutjob. Russ [/ QUOTE ] well I was giving him some benefit of the doubt, I mean hes manic depressive and stuff. If king hadnt sunk his teeth into him, he could have maybe been just borderline nut job. you are prolly right tho.
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#40
02-26-2005, 12:04 AM
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Re: Tyson Vs. Ali
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A case could be made for Tyson being the most overrated athlete in history. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is an interesting question. I was a huge fan of Tyson when I was young but as we both aged my opinion of him went south. He is considered one of the greatest heavyweights of all time by many people and I don't think he is close. At some point to be great you must defeat great. I am not convinced that if you move Tyson's prime (I'm thinking age 20-28) either forward or backward 10 years he even becomes the Heavyweight Champion of the world. I can't think of even one other good fighter from that era and his biggest challenger on paper was a light heavyweight who was scared to death of him.
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