30-60 hand - mike l thinks I blew one street

[astroglide]

hey buddy, ever get 125th in the '04 wsop?

[HiatusOver]

Barron you actually wrote in your post...

>>>I like how you check-raised the flop, given that, though, maybe check the turn, hoping for the check-through, and then bet out at the river due to "hitting your flush"?<<<

How does this make any sense at all? This is a very bad post. Seriously what are you talking about? Are you bluffing? Value betting? Opposite Day?

And why does noone comment? Is everyone just ignoring him for some reason?

[Clarkmeister]

"And why does noone comment?"

I thought elindauer covered it.

[HiatusOver]

N/M

[J_V]

I also think Clarkmeister is hanging around with a bad crowd [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Maybe we should transfer him to a different casino.

Btw, capping the flop would be a very big mistake IMO. Very big. You lose information by capping and also reduce your chances of getting a field narrowing check-raise in.

Folding is your best option preflop.

[J_V]

6s 6h 237456 21.87 845690 77.87 2862 0.26 0.219
7h 5h 217705 20.05 865441 79.69 2862 0.26 0.201
9s Ac 266381 24.53 816765 75.21 2862 0.26 0.246
Kc Jc 361604 33.30 721542 66.44 2862 0.26 0.334

That's assuming there isn't a higher pair out against you.

Higher pair out:

6s 6h 176242 16.23 905800 83.41 3966 0.37 0.163
7h 5h 124595 11.47 942989 86.83 18424 1.70 0.122
9s Ac 402739 37.08 679303 62.55 3966 0.37 0.372
7s 7c 364008 33.52 703576 64.79 18424 1.70 0.343

And those are about as favorable of raise, reraise, and reraise hands as you could imagine.

Add to that your hand is by far the hardest to play correctly and you are in the worst position, your preflop play is a terrible mistake. The fact that you considered capping is an inexcusable mistake, IMO.

I'd love to see you handle the Q-10-5 flop correctly. Or the 9-2-3 flop.

[Clarkmeister]

Situation 1 is plenty to justify playing, and that assumes that none of my opponents hold each others outs.

Also, my relative position on this hand is fabulous.

It's not like I'd never fold a pair for 3 bets in the BB, there are tons of spots where I would. But not against a readable local and 2 retards and who are spewing.

If the flop is QT5 I fold, what's the big problem?

[Tyler Durden]

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But not against a readable local and 2 retards and who are spewing.

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Oh, the irony. J/K. Kinda.

[J_V]

You are good on the Q-10-5 flop and in that situation a fair amount of times and in the situation I indicated. By you making incorrect folds you equity goes down the garbage disposal.

I also think situation 1 is highly favorable for you (eventhough outs aren't crossed) because you are underestimating the chances of a bigger pair being out.

Also, since you considered capping, you shouldn't be allowed to use the relative position argument, since capping would put your relative postion in the toilet.

[J_V]

Very much so. Almost as much as ironic as Clark's use of LAG to describe other players.