An observation!

[whiskeytown]

I just spent a day playing 500+ hands of 50 cent Party Poker.

I attempted to use the Small Stakes Holdem plan of aggression, but with that many players, and that many outs per player, it severly crippled my ability to win with anything other then a showdown vs 5 other players.

as an example, my 3 biggest losing hands were AA, AKo, and QQ - I never won more then 33 percent of these, and my total losses for each hand were between 10-15 BB -

Let's say I raise with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], and a flop comes Q82 rainbow.

two players came in with bad pocket pairs (33 and 66) -
one came in with K8 offsuit
One came in with J9 suited
and of course....something like Q4 - suited that match one of the cards on the board. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

I have approx. 15 outs that will kill my hand unless I win a redraw. In addition, I probalby won't know it till the reraise - 15 outs twice means I'm gonna lose that hand almost 50 percent of the time - and I'm not counting the guys who'll go runner runner to catch a flush or gutshot st8 - (and they will) -

I think a very loose variance game is as tough to beat as a $30/60 game - so while I hear people talking about how playing against one of these players will ultimately be profitable, I think it will be much less profitable when there are 5 or 6 of them on the table and may cost your biggest hands more then you'd like.

RB

[Nottom]

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I have approx. 15 outs that will kill my hand unless I win a redraw. In addition, I probalby won't know it till the reraise - 15 outs twice means I'm gonna lose that hand almost 50 percent of the time - and I'm not counting the guys who'll go runner runner to catch a flush or gutshot st8 - (and they will) -

I think a very loose variance game is as tough to beat as a $30/60 game - so while I hear people talking about how playing against one of these players will ultimately be profitable, I think it will be much less profitable when there are 5 or 6 of them on the table and may cost your biggest hands more then you'd like.

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Getting 5-1 on a 50/50 shot is the sign of an imensely profitable game. Theres a big difference between the games Vince is talking about (super-aggresive LAGfests) and the typical Party micro-limit game.

[Matt Flynn]

i hadn't visited the limit forums for months only to hit the wrong "Mid-,High Stakes" button, and there you were. i've truly missed your subtlety. ;-)

there's a new variation of poker called "pot limit" if you ever want to gender-bend on the forums.

matt