OT: Excerpted by Citanul: Proving I'm not a bot

[citanul]

but i'm assuming you can't type them fast enough to have this be realistic. for argument's sake, i think that's a safe assumption, that either the click was unreasonably fast, or that htere was an error, but not that the hotkey could possibly miss that fast.

[vinyard]

The increased speed of hotkeys would likely not raise their flags - their threshold for flagging suspicious behavior is likely a whole order of magnitude smaller than what you are thinking.

[vinyard]

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if he's using autohotkey or the like, he can type 2 keys really quickly to make 2 'mouse clicks' on diff tables...faster than clicking on one and then moving cursor over to click on the other...

[/ QUOTE ] Sure. But as someone who has mucked around in this kind of work before I would suspect that they would have to, at a minimum:

1. Be using local machine system time
2. That they wouldn't consider anything less than a very high number of clicks (4-6 at a minimm) in an exceptionally small amount of time.

FTR, I still don'tthink he's a bot but AutoHotKey didn't screw him here.

[Freudian]

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Just my 2 cents.

Most of what I read doesn't prove that Juicy is a bot.
Juicy plays a lot of tables for many hours... so what.
Juicy doesn't click the popups.... So what... I've missed popups multitabling.

The only truly damning bit of info is that Party has recorded Juicy clicking buttons in simultaneous games within miliseconds of eachother. The buttons were clicked so fast that it was humanly impossible to do the clicking (according to Party). That would suggest that either Party's methods of obtaining this information is flawed, or that Juicy is a bot.

Now, if I were unreal_nh, I'd ask Party how they're collecting this information. If they are waiting until the clicks arrive on their server, then the method is flawed. Their programmers would have to be retarded to do it like that, but there are lots of programmers who seem retarded enough to do such a thing.

If Party were recording the time on the client's end when the button were clicked and then compared that information, then either Juicy clicks at super human speeds, or Juicy is a bot.

In my opinion, the clicking is the really the only damning evidence. So, unreal_nh, try to find out how party collects the info about button clicks. Maybe they can send you logs of the clicks which will reveal their methods.

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You can bet that Party places much more significance on him failing to responding to 20-30 popups than you do. As do I.

I can tell you if I was playing and accidentally missed one popup I would be worried (simply because I know why Party uses them) and would make sure I didn't play so much that I would miss another. I certainly wouldn't happily play on missing dozens of them. In my mind it is pretty damning.

So is party acknowledging that such programs exist? Are they acknowledging such programs can be profitable? Hmmmm..

[citanul]

party is acknowledging that someone could program something that would click buttons, and that they are trying hard to eliminate them. nothing more.

[Nicholasp27]

yeah, either they are using his local system time and authotkey wouldn't do it fast enough for them to think bot or they are using server time and then it's a packet issue which is bogus


i do know one thing; if he gets this cleared up (or creates a new account), he'll never miss filling in one of the popups!

LOL..Something that clicks buttons?? So party believes that there are programs that randomly click buttons? Well as a live player I find it to our benefit to allow users to program something to push buttons? This will also increase $$$ for party as well? So I don't think they are concerned with programs that click buttons.

[citanul]

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LOL..Something that clicks buttons?? So party believes that there are programs that randomly click buttons? Well as a live player I find it to our benefit to allow users to program something to push buttons? This will also increase $$$ for party as well? So I don't think they are concerned with programs that click buttons.

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did i say it clicked them randomly? no.

it is in party's best interest to shut down automated programs, winners or not.

c

[microbet]

I know criminals and cheaters can be amazingly stupid, but how stupid would you have to be to leave $15k in the account of a bot?