Immoral?

[Rushmore]

I agree that folks around here can sometimes be a collective pain, what with all their stigmata and all, but...

This is actually a dick move.

You DID ask.

[Wake up CALL]

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You know there's no reason to be a jackass to me. I didn't post this some some wannabe like you could make snide remarks. I posted it cause I wanted to know if you guys thought it was immoral or 'bad' of me to do so. By the way the $30 I saved bought me a nice submarine sandwich and chocolate milk afterwards.

PokerPrince

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Let me see if I understand you correctly. You are upset at me because you think I was being a jackass by implying you got what you deserved by losing to the AA but yet you are not wise enough to realize you stole money from another person? Wow, you really would steal your grandmas medicine money like you have stated before wouldn't you? Scumbags like you deserve a special place in Poker Purgatory.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

It's not like I raped someone and burned a dog with a cigarette.

You didn't. You cheated. The dealer didn't do his job. Your opponent didn't heed caveat emptor. I would've called you on it. You would've apologized and pretended it was a mistake. I would've known you were lying but would have said "no problem" and watched you like a hawk after that.

[Diplomat]

Ya, I'm not comparing the two. Both were pretty bad.

All right. So say you are some grumpy old man. And you get in an argument with the dealer over a mistake they made. So now they start pushing the pot to other people when you win. That's no fun.

Saying someone deserved it is a rediculous justification in this case. I doubt they could justify it this way to their employer if the cameras were wound back. Beat up on her and take her money because she's a terrible player.

The real moral hickup here was the dealer's (intentional) mistake. His/Her actions were appauling. In a game where everyone is trying to get an edge on each other, the man with the cards should be neutral. Bleh.

-Diplomat

[ChipWrecked]

I would have spoken up; not making a judgment call, just what I would do.

Thought in my mind is, presumably TOM has been playing a number of years, and he missed this. That would mean he's too tired or distracted to be playing and should be attacked in later hands (unless it's looking for blood from a stone [rock?]).

[coolhandsun]

I would say that it was immoral, but in this case I wouldn't give you [censored] about it. It sounds like you didn't realize the error until the split second before the chips were dragged. This is very clearly immoral, but I don't know if I could identify it as such and make the judgement call in such a brief time. I guess you could just mention the error and pay after the pot's been gathered, but at that point its embarassing and a little extra effort. I imagine if the situation arises in the future you'll do the right thing, especially now that you've considered it.
I, however, think that it is immoral because you are playing against other people. And by playing with them you implicitly are agreeing to play by the rules. Its a game where money is the score. If you short them knowingly it is essentially breaking your implicit agreement to play fairly, just as marking cards or stealing chips.
The dealer is in no way a ref of any sort and can not be relied on to enforce the rules a hundred percent. I, for one, do not entrust the dealer's with maintaining fair play. When it comes to my money there are few people I'm willing to trust. It is essentially a game where honor has to be maintained, lest the integrity of the game be degraded. The players are the one's responsible for maintaining a fair game, and this includes self-regulation. While none of this is legal speak or set in stone, its just how I view the game and the players' role in conducting it.

I have two other scenarios that I'm curious and interested in:
1)I used to be an avid blackjack player and supported myself for a months on my bj income. However, occasionally the dealer's would make errors in my favor. Stupid little things such as not adding the cards right or forgetting to take my chips when I lost. My views on fair play are completely different when playing blackjack. The casino wants every dollar you have and can be subtley ruthless in achieving their aim. They already have the odds stacked in their favor (in theory for a non-counting player).
So if they make an error in my favor, I keep it every time. I do not look at them as peers in the sense that I do other poker players. I see them as the greedy evil empire and care very little if they make a mistake in my favor. What do you guys think?
I extend my convenient justification by mentioning all the mistakes they make against my favor. In fact, I tend to think they've made more mistakes against me than for me. But I may not even notice them all, especially since I would tend to drink to avoid getting labeled a counter. I could handle the counting but tended to get lazier about double checking everything.
BTW, mistakes happen a lot more often than you would expect in a game where all you do is add card values.

2) What do you think about peeking at another persons cards if they're not even making an attempt to hide them and you make no effort other than to look in the direction of the cards? I've never intentionally done this but have seen people's cards by accident. And I sure as hell didn't fold because they were too retarded to hide their cards.

I was once playing and wasn't sure if it had been checked to me or not. I wasn't sure the guy next to me even had his cards anymore. He had his hands in front of him on the table and I couldn't see any cards under them. To make sure before I made my play I leaned over and blatantly looked at his cards. By the time I could tell he had cards, I knew what cards they were, and I was literally leaning all the way out of my chair to look. I folded just to avoid any ill will and because I screwed up, so it was the right thing to do.

Gavin

[Makaveli]

I don't think you can come to a conclusion on whether it was immoral or not, however, you can make the conclusion that you were not following the rules of the game. Since you were concious of this decision to not follow the rules you were cheating. It is not up to a dealer to make sure everyone follows the rules....nor other players (unless your at home or playing a local game) and even then who wants to play with someone who's going to short the pot? Whether or not you consider this immoral is irrelevant, everyone's morals are different and frankly I don't care if yours are different from mine......but I do care if you short the pot....

[mosch]

If you ever want to remove your head from your ass, I can give you the name of the contractor who put in my pool. He might have equipment strong enough to do the job.

[PokerPrince]

Drink my urine.

PokerPrince

[PokerPrince]

Please drink my urine.

PokerPrince