a fold unlike any other i've ever made

[PinkSteel]

Did the turn 2 complete the rainbow or match the J suit, or did it open a backdoor flush draw for AJs?

[THATWACOKID]

for all of you that are saying why even play pocket 5s if i'm gonna fold with bottom set you're obviously not getting it. however, it was a bad fold because he had aces.

if i don't have any type of read on a player i assume they are a good player. i do not see how any good player would play an over pair in this manner. i've come to the conclusion that against an unknown this is a terrible fold, as everyone here has already said. i will definitely fold these types of hands in the future to weak-tight straightforward opposition.


i'd also like to add that about 30 minutes before this hand went down i lost a 550 BB pot with aces on an A K K J 4 board to quad kings. so this hand probably had some effect on my fold.

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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i don't really have any special reads on the villian in this hand.

5/10 6-handed

effective stacks around 1600


villian (utg) raises to 30, 1 fold, co and button call, i call with pocket 5s in the sb, bb calls.

flop (150) J 7 5 rainbow

checks to the pf raiser who bets 100. folds to me i raise to 320. folds to villian who calls.

turn (790) 2

i bet 355, villian instantly min-raises, i fold.


thoughts?

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Are you kidding me? I rarely minraise but one time I do is to see where I'm at with an overpair-if I get played back at I'm normally beat but I don't feel as committed as if I had put in a big raise on the turn.

Seriously, you don't think this guy could have AA or KK trying to be absolutely sure he needs to release?

Just saw you calling these minraises donktastic. Barring reads, I think they're a lot better than folding to any turn bet, calling a turn bet then folding the river, calling the turn and river, raising big on the turn and not folding because the pot's too big, or any other option that an overpair typically has in this spot. Do you normally just fold AA here on the turn?

[gomberg]

like this hand?

hand i posted a while back

[FoxwoodsFiend]

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like this hand?

hand i posted a while back

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I'm not gonna lie. I was scared shitless you were linking to a post of me criticizing you for making this play. phew

[Proofrock]

I don't play at these stakes, but I'm curious about the <1/2 pot turn bet. If I am Villain and I see somebody check-raise the flop and then lead <1/2 pot on the turn, I'd be most inclined to think one of two things:
(1) He has a monster and wants to draw me in / invite me to reraise.
(2) He has a hand like TPTK or QQ that wants to get to a showdown.

If the case is (1), the min-raise will get pushed against and I fold figuring I'm behind. If the case is (2), I expect that my opponent will either call and check the river, or fold right there.

Given this reasoning, were I Villain, I could see myself taking this line with AA-QQ, JJ, 77. i don't see how you can possibly limit Villain's range to JJ, 77.

I don't know what a <1/2 pot turn bet means at 5/10 NL, but I think that it was inviting you to get played back at (especially after the flop check-raise). This is great if it's what you want -- i.e., if you plan to call/push to his raise, but terrible otherwise. Why not bet ~500-600 on the turn? For that matter, any reason you decided against leading the flop? This seems like an ideal place for it.

[THATWACOKID]

proofrock,

good post. i think leading this flop would have made the hand much easier to play. a bigger turn bet could have also prevented me from getting played back at, and since i did make this 1/2 sized pot bet on the turn i shouldn't have even thought about folding.

is it possibly this player is tight and flat called with QQ on the flop. when the turn comes i think it might look like he wants to get the river checked and cheap. set it in there if youre going to play the pocket 5s

this has to be the worst possible fold in the history of poker. if youre going to call his raise with 55 and get a board like J 7 5 2 NO STRAIGHT/DRAWS or FLUSH/DRAWS this is an easy push/easy call push river. If he has JJ 77 so be it. Just tell yourself "gosh darn", get over it, and rebuy.

later

[tdomeski]

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this has to be the worst possible fold in the history of poker. if youre going to call his raise with 55 and get a board like J 7 5 2 NO STRAIGHT/DRAWS or FLUSH/DRAWS this is an easy push/easy call push river. If he has JJ 77 so be it. Just tell yourself "gosh darn", get over it, and rebuy.

later

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i don't understand why people keep bringing up the fact that there are no draws as evidence that he has the best hand.