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Entity where do you play at? -Andrew

[adios]

You've made interesting posts in this thread IMO. I'll mull them over and I appreciate the time and effort you've spent in responding. Welcome to the forums.

[Victor]

oh man i forgot about this post. thanks for responding i needed some humor.

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Lastly Victor,
The fact that you think it's stupid means it worked,


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now this is expert analysis. bc i am so bad that the opposite of all my plays works.

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I vary my play enough that i will only maybe one out of 5 times bet a dry turn with a big draw (12 outs +) I do this because usually i get the table image of being a rock and can use this to value bet, steal and use some misdirection to outwit my opponents and pick up extra bets

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ok this only works against opponents that fold. no one folds at canterbury or party or bellagio or mirage or cleveland.

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I mean against a player like you that is so one dimentional

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there is really no reason to be anything other than one dimensional if your opponents are one dimensional. my dimension is that i take the most profitable line. with some history between an opponent mixing it up is certainly useful tho this is not the case here.

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and can not understand advanced play and against a lot of negative players, making it two bets back to them can even sometimes make them fold aces

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dude, nobody is folding aces on this board in a 15/30 game.

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I love the part why raise with little chance of picking up the pot. This is just a dumb statement, I will not make this play if I belive there is little way I will pick up the pot, the only way there is little way I will pick up the pot is if I have misread my opponents or the strength of their hand. If that is true then yes i am the pidgeon in this hand.

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ok, a straightforward player bet out on the flop into many opponents. that generally means i have pair or better. another player raised next, which generally means i have a hand i want to protect, i.e. a pair or better.

do you really think you are gonna move both players in some dinky canterbury 15/30 game off a pair (or better) on the turn? i would love to hear you answer this.

Well assuming that your anaylisis is correct that there isn't one player at canterbury that respects a raise on the turn enough to fold an over pair at least some of the time, or fold a decent hand, then you absolutely right(i believe party poker players won't.) Yea if you are lucky enough and these players always play straight forward and are always that predictable and always let you be that predictable then 3 bet it. My anayisis assuemd you might be playing at the average game i'm used to playing at.

Ahh at last beautiful silence [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]. -Andrew

[golferbrent]

Is Canterbury a bet and 3 raises? If that is the case here I would 3 bet the flop. The preflop play is fine... possibly a 3 bet on some occasions... sometimes a fold. You probably are not losing a whole lot here either way.

[MitchL]

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Is Canterbury a bet and 3 raises? If that is the case here I would 3 bet the flop. The preflop play is fine... possibly a 3 bet on some occasions... sometimes a fold. You probably are not losing a whole lot here either way.

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No its a 5-bet cap. Not sure it matters though, I like pounding this one, because action will slow when any draw hits. I doubt he is getting 4-bet, but it is certainly not the end of the world if he does. Dont particularly like the preflop call, but I understand how difficult this hand is to release against a bad player. I usually make 1 loose coldcall a session. As long as this doesnt become a standard coldcall I see no real problem w/ it.

[ihardlyknowher]

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do you hate preflop? what's your flop play?

Canterbury 15/30 8 handed
There are 2 BB's posted in this hand cuz someone left. UTG folds, UTG+1 opens. This means very little. He is a fish (he's a dealer at canterbury) and his range is HUGE here. Folds to me on the CO with T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I call. Super fishy button comes along. One blind folds, one calls. The one who calls plays pretty well and is very honest.

Flop 4 ways (9SB): 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Blind bets, UTG+1 raises, I..........

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Preflop is OK IMO, if you have a strong read that the Button is calling too. But, even then, it is probably marginal.

On the flop, I would just call for two reasons mentionednin OP's reads.

1. "The one who calls [Blind/flop-bettor] plays pretty well and is very honest." You are likely not improving your chances to win by spiking a T or 9, since I doubt the Blind is folding his Q.

2."Super fishy button". Since the button is "super fishy", he will likely cold-call in this pot that is getting big and exciting (just the kind super fishy players like). So, by calling, you get 8 SBs in this round at the cost of 2 to you (+2.4sb in EV, assuming 55% equity). But, by 3-betting you are likely getting 9SBs in this round at the cost of 3 to you (+1.95sb in EV). Now, if Button will call 3-cold, then it is a different story.

Also, by jamming now, you hurt your implied odds if you check when you miss the turn, which will likey be the right play since there will probably be 3 players in a big pot (i.e. you will have no bluffing equity).

Entity if your intrested email me and we can exchange numbers I'll give you a call next time there is a good game if your serious. The 100-200, 200-400 they had up their this last summer treated me very well. A pretty good ring game, one of the best features was Tulalip was only raking a dollar a hand so all the big action players came up from muckleshoot. Anyways yea mail me if your serious. -ANdrew