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Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
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Well, I really don't know what you mean by raising for value, but I assume you mean is it +EV. [/ QUOTE ] What else would it mean? |
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Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
When I use the term "for value" I refer to my equity in the pot, not EV. Incorrect?
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When I use the term "for value" I refer to my equity in the pot, not EV. Incorrect? [/ QUOTE ] No, you are correct. Betting for value is betting to get worse hands to call, by definition. Opening with 85s is probably -EV and definitely not "for value". |
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[ QUOTE ] When I use the term "for value" I refer to my equity in the pot, not EV. Incorrect? [/ QUOTE ] No, you are correct. Betting for value is betting to get worse hands to call, by definition. Opening with 85s is probably -EV and definitely not "for value". [/ QUOTE ] So to clarify your position. Suppose I am on the button with JT suited, and everyone limps to me. If I should choose to raise, I would not be doing so for vaule? |
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So to clarify your position. Suppose I am on the button with JT suited, and everyone limps to me. If I should choose to raise, I would not be doing so for vaule? [/ QUOTE ] No. Not in the sense that other people use the phrase, no. |
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Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
And in limit poker if I have the nut flush draw and there is a bet and 7 calls to me a raise would also not be for value? Because by definition a value raise is to get worse hands to call?
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That's entirely different, in that a 7 way pot with pot equity of greater than 1/7, anything you bet is for value. Show me how a PF raise with 85s get's called by worse hands, I'll show you a value bet. Same delio for TJ.
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In the JT suited scenario I think it should be obvious that my pot equity is greater than 1/7.
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In the JT suited scenario I think it should be obvious that my pot equity is greater than 1/7. [/ QUOTE ] Obvious how? |
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Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
Load up poker stove and give the other 8 guys some limping hands at small stakes NL hold em. Take a look at how JT suited fairs.
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