Defending with cheese.

[arkady]

all, but 67 and 68.

[numb3rs]

That would be my choice as well.

[imported_leader]

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That's not an accurate way to figure out what you should be calling here.

[numb3rs]

Yeah, I know it doesn't consider the range of hands that could be raised with that you're up against.. and hence why there's a good argument for folding a hand like K9o here.

[Entity]

I know it sucks to change things up in this thread all of a sudden, but since this is a 5/10 6max specific thread, what if we say the villain is 37/11, unknown postflop tendencies though?

Rob

[Catt]

Interesting question. I am somehwat amazed that I've played a lot of poker (though not enough shorthanded) and am still really unsure about these sorts of situations -- or perhaps interesting that I am less confident of a solid approach than I was some time ago (because my confidence was misplaced then).

Against a total unknown, I fold most of these if not all right now when facing a UTG or MP raise. On the one hand, we're getting 3.5:1 to call; on the other, we're not getting odds to draw to any draws we flop with only one other player in the pot. We're OOP. We have no information about what the PFR's standards are or how he plays post-flop. The situation just strikes me as too marginal to worry about it until I see a few showdowns that involve Villain. Even a few showdowns will likely influence my decision here despite the small sample. But I worry that I've swung much to far to the other side of the pendulum -- in the past I'd routinely call a bunch of these hands, counting on my post-flop abilities to carry the day.

In any event, I am more likely to fold these hands than play them until I have a rudimentary read on the PFR. And I am currently more likely to play the lower cards then the higher cards, thinking that a lower sutied connector gains more in "non-domination risk" than it loses in "lower top pair and therefore more redraw risk." But I have no idea if I have my head up my ass on this.

So interesting thread.

[dave44]

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all, but 67 and 68.

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That's about what I'm doing against an unknown raiser.

[ALL1N]

I haven't played 5/T in ages, but in the 30/60 game, I'd usually defend all except K9o, 86o, and perhaps T8o.

[Willluck]

Wow! I was gonna make a very similar thread. TY for saving me the hassle Ent.

I just started calling with all of them except for K9o, I also often call with 57o and 97o, a leak?

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If you're calling with 76o, you might as well defend with any two.

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This is terrible logic. Here's a better way to look at it: there's an equal chance that the flop can come out high or low. The strength behind calling with lower cards comes from getting a made hand more often on low flops. Calling with hands like Q8, J9 or K7 is generally not that fun, because you're hoping for your low card to get paired. Those broadway cards aren't clean outs, especially with an EP raise.