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Old 09-20-2005, 04:44 AM
sirio11 sirio11 is offline
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Barry...I did not think you were arrogant (seems like I might have been the only one).

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No, you weren't the only one MicroBob. I really liked to hear the opinions of Greg and Barry, both are great guys, and when they had little differences in the radiocast, well, IMHO Barry was usually (always?) right; sometimes maybe a little picky; but I think Greg handle it really well.

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Old 09-20-2005, 04:47 AM
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Default Re: This final table commentary with Greenstein and Raymer..

wow now that barry has chimed in it appears the blowjobbers have arrived...
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:55 AM
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wow now that barry has chimed in it appears the people who aren't insanely jealous of success, and want top players to keep posting on these forums have arrived...

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FYP
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Old 09-20-2005, 06:39 AM
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Default Re: This final table commentary with Greenstein and Raymer..

I would hardly qualify as a blowjobber for Barry G.


I was one who was leading the charge in a thread in the books-pubs forum who didn't particularly care for his book.
Barry was extremely classy in responding to the criticisms that I, and a handful of others, had about AotR.


The majority of posters over in that thread RAVED about his book but I truly thought it just wasn't anything to drool over and I had some rather pointed criticisms about it.


Kind of weird actually:
Looks like I've been in the minority opinion both times (in that I didn't like the book that much but DID like his commentary on the broadcast).
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Old 09-20-2005, 07:09 AM
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Whatever the case, I wish he would zip it up and learn a little something called humility.

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I don't understand why his humbleness is so important. Furthermore it makes the show more entertaining.

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I don't care if he's humble or not - I just wish he'd stop interrupting others while they are talking. He ran over Greg on countless occasions and, contrary to what Barry may think, there were many people who were interested in hearing what Greg had to say.

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I was out of synch initially, not knowing when Greg was done with his thought. If you stuck with it, you will notice that I eventually asked Greg first if he wanted to answer each question as it came up, and toward the end, I was pretty silent as Greg told his stories.

I have no disrespect for Greg, and I think one WSOP final bracelet is more than the sum total of about anything else in the poker world. And he even made a valiant run at a repeat.

Sorry I occasionally interfered during the broadcast.

Barry

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But I think trying to mix in Big Game strategy when the discussion is about tournament strategy becomes annoying.

I know you are on a permanent crusade to recruit players into your game but I think the discussions yesterday would have benefitted from only being about tournament play.

Other than that I was listening with great interest and I think confidence sometimes get confused for arrogance (and sometimes not).
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:36 AM
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log in to pokerstars and you will find it there.

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Could you be more specific, please? Where do I click on?
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:59 AM
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Default Re: This final table commentary with Greenstein and Raymer..

Thanks for responding. I'd like to hear what Greg has to say about this--not because I don't believe you, but I am curious of what he thinks.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:01 AM
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I thought Barry's commentary was great. Greg provided what I expect from Greg, solid, reasoned, measured analysis. Barry provided the same type of insight that he provided in his book, a glimpse into the thought process and attitude of someone who gambles at the highest of levels. Both were very good, but while they both have a strategic understanding of the game, they clearly approach the game from different perspectives.

My favorite part of the commentary was Barry clarifying the fact that even before being a poker bigshot he never had any problems always getting beautiful, intelligent women. Go Barry!
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:27 AM
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wow now that barry has chimed in it appears the people who aren't insanely jealous of success, and want top players to keep posting on these forums have arrived...

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FYP

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First, thanks for actually posting, Barry.

I will stand by my comments that it seemed as if Barry was consistently trying to make his opinions (which were less often related to the tournament than the Big Game) override Greg's. If the case is, as he said, that he was a bit out of sync in the beginning, so be it, but I stopped listening after a decent amount of time, and never heard any significant change.

I am far from insanely jealous of Barry. He's clearly a great player, at a level that I don't realistically aspire to. And I personally thought what I heard of his commentary sucked. I think John Madden sucks as a football commentator, too, but I'm not jealous of his mad coaching skillz. Any reasonable person can see the difference.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:36 AM
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wow now that barry has chimed in it appears the blowjobbers have arrived...

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funny how the thread changed.
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