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#31
09-28-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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I'm guessing MP3 called ... so when are you posting results? [/ QUOTE ] I will post results... don't worry. There's still a lot of room for debate in several different aspects of this hand. I'd like to get some more opinions before I post the results. 
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#32
09-28-2005, 06:01 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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That's gotta be a mistake. [/ QUOTE ] Nah I think this is the perfect image for hero. I know I wouldn't want to get involved with him after showing a hand like that. Say you're in the BB with AJs and he raises from LP.. How are you going to feel about playing a pot with this guy? Who is going to have the balls to reraise him knowing he just risked his whole stack with J9s? For the record I think the J9s move is +EV and ZJs numbers are pretty accurate. To those who have said that people are overestimating hero's FE, I have to disagree. This is a big tournament and players are more likely to lay down that early even if/when they smell a rat. I'm a little worried about the SB accidental reraise with all those players in, but I wasn't there so it's difficult to comment on a read.
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#33
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
I like it. The reraiser is aggressive and would probably make this play with whatever he called the first raise with, assuming he has the same read that you have of the small blind. This means you have an excellent chance of getting him to fold when you jam, and you're very unlikely to be smashed (because he almost certainly doesn't have KK/AA) when you get called. Honestly, I'm not even sure how much room for debate there is. I think you clearly made a good play here.
Matt
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#34
09-28-2005, 06:07 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
Are you trying to represent a big pair, if so, why would you limp behind all the limpers and than make a big reraise (all-in) in this spot? I think you would have raised initally with a big pair to thin the field. Of course I could be wrong and you could be trapping here, but if I were the other players, I'd be a bit suspicious. Having said that, I think I call if I were the other players with a very limited range, say 88-AA, AK-AKs. I would put you on either AK and are trying to win preflop or an outright steal. I would still however want a hand that compensates for the time you actually do have something, so my weaker holdings I'd throw away. It would work on me most of the time, I think it's a nice play.
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#35
09-28-2005, 06:11 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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[ QUOTE ] I like the move, takes a lot of guts and I think is a winning strategy. The only real drawback would be if you got called, won the hand (which is not as unlikely as some seem to assume) and then had to stay at the table for awhile. You'd have to adjust your game to your radically changed image and that would not be easy (well it's the kind of thing that isn't easy for me anyway). [/ QUOTE ] That would be the perfect image. They would have no clue what to think of me. I am tight, but I risk all my chips with J9s?! I play one hand every 30 minutes, but it's a bluff? What do I do when I get a real hand?! They would have no clue how to play against me. I certianly don't make plays like this very often, so if they start getting suspicious of my big all-ins, that's great for me. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, I could see how that would be the case. My thinking was that even while playing tight (which would be my day 1 approach) you want to have the power to execute semi-bluffs and get people to lay down the best hand when a good pf hand missed the board. Perhaps this doesn't apply to better players, but if I had a very loose image while the blinds are still very small I fear I would be at the mercy of the cards, in that I could score huge if I got good cards, but would be completely handcuffed by a cold deck. Yet, under the hypothetical we are talking about you would be doubling up here, so even if you didn't play another hand until the table break, you would be in fine shape. So I can see where the maniac image would actually be a benefit if skillfully handled.
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#36
09-28-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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Are you trying to represent a big pair, if so, why would you limp behind all the limpers and than make a big reraise (all-in) in this spot? I think you would have raised initally with a big pair to thin the field. Of course I could be wrong and you could be trapping here, but if I were the other players, I'd be a bit suspicious. Having said that, I think I call if I were the other players with a very limited range, say 88-AA, AK-AKs. I would put you on either AK and are trying to win preflop or an outright steal. I would still however want a hand that compensates for the time you actually do have something, so my weaker holdings I'd throw away. It would work on me most of the time, I think it's a nice play. [/ QUOTE ] Please reread my post. You have several big peices of information wrong. I did not limp preflop, and I never said I was trying to represent a big pair (unless you consider 99 a big pair).
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#37
09-28-2005, 06:15 PM
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More Info About SB 625 Raise
Everyone at the table knew what happened with the SB. While he was still semi-confused, Dave actually flipped the purple chip over so the big 500 written on it was showing. I would be very surprised if anyone at the table was not aware of what happened.
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#38
09-28-2005, 06:15 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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Honestly, I'm not even sure how much room for debate there is. I think you clearly made a good play here. [/ QUOTE ] I agree Matt, but if the table was tougher, would you still think it would be a good play to use?
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#39
09-28-2005, 06:21 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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n the hand in question blinds are 25/50. Utg (Dave Williams) and Utg+1 fold. Semi-Tight UTG+2 makes it 150. MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls. I call J9s in the CO. Button folds. SB throws in a purple (500) and a black (100) chip. The dealer announces raise. He flinches as he starts to say, "no..." looks at the chips in the pot, and says, "ok" and kind of shrugs. BB folds. Initial raisor folds. MP1 calls. MP3 thinks for a few seconds and throws in two yellow chips. I'm next to act. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I call J9s in the CO. [/ QUOTE ] You called the raise initially right, then you moved in when the action came back around to you. I'm saying you probably would have reraised the 1st time with a big pair. Still I don't think the other players can call you unless they have something strong.
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#40
09-28-2005, 06:25 PM
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Re: Interesting Hand from WPT Aruba
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because he almost certainly doesn't have KK/AA [/ QUOTE ] what move by MP3 made you think this Matt? [ QUOTE ] This means you have an excellent chance of getting him to fold when you jam, and you're very unlikely to be smashed (because he almost certainly doesn't have KK/AA) when you get called. Honestly, I'm not even sure how much room for debate there is. [/ QUOTE ] You think the combination of the folding % by MP3 + the winning % by J9s when called; it's big enough +EV to not have room for debate here? You think the %folding by MP3 is great even if he suspect what ZJ is doing?
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