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| CALL (and then brag or complain afterwards) |
   
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13 | 18.84% |
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56 | 81.16% |
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#31
10-26-2005, 02:04 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
"Your position is bad"
How is my position bad? I act behind villian. "You have shown no strength preflop" IMO this is okay when the flop has 2 eights. "You have no draw" Semi true. I think if the villian calls he is on a PP, in which case I have 5ish outs (since their pair could still hit) "You have no reads" True. 
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#32
10-26-2005, 02:07 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
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I pose this poll because this is a spot I've started (awhile ago) raising. What kind of a hand would the villian have in which he'd bet 60 in this spot? I think a PP of some sort, or perhaps a 2. If it is a PP, there's a good chance it isn't higher than an 8 since he didn't raise pre. (maybe 99 or tens, but usually not JJ or higher). Do you believe he has an 8? How many of you would bet 2/3 of the pot on an uncoordinated board that gives you a set? More importantly, how many of your opponents will? Bad/average players live for two things: WPT bluffs, and slow playing big hands. If I have a read on an opponent, sometimes I choose to fold, and sometimes I choose to check with the intention of raising after the turn. Thoughts? >>>ZIPPPY I raise here. There's a strong chance I'm wrong here, but I'd like to hear why. [/ QUOTE ] The question is not whether you believe HE has an 8, but whether he believes YOU have an 8. Such a pleasant fold for me.
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#33
10-26-2005, 02:13 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
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The question is not whether you believe HE has an 8, but whether he believes YOU have an 8. [/ QUOTE ] it should be both, but you know that. Just pointing it out...
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#35
10-26-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
Another advantage to raising here (albeit a very small one) is the read you get from your opponent based on their reaction. No reads come from folding, except the ones they get on you ("will fold if strength is shown"). This read can work to your advantage, though, too [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img].
I still think this is borderline, though, and with the right read I will either call/raise or raise. There are spots with no reads where raising is right, whether you call it FPS or not.
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#36
10-26-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
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[ QUOTE ] The question is not whether you believe HE has an 8, but whether he believes YOU have an 8. [/ QUOTE ] it should be both, but you know that. Just pointing it out... [/ QUOTE ] I think my point here is to make you think about what raising accomplishes...really nothing. What do you think you are ahead of here? Thats one thing. What if he calls your raise? You wasted a huge % of you stack for a nothing pot where you might not even be drawing to a better hand. A raise here is terrible...just my opinion though. The best way to make him believe you have an 8 would be to cold call flop and raise turn if he bets again, bet if checked to...hate that too though.
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#37
10-26-2005, 02:21 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
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raising here is suicide. [/ QUOTE ] This is definitely not true. it sounds like you don't play much postflop, much like this forum. which is okay in this format, but this isn't that bad a spot to raise.
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#39
10-26-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
You didn't answer the question that was most important to your cause...
[ QUOTE ] Lets say you raise his bet to 200 (140 back to him)as you mentioned. He cold calls you and the turn is a Q. He checks.... action? the pot is 490 now. What if he bets 200 into the pot on the turn instead of checking? [/ QUOTE ] It is soooooo important that you know what you will do before it happens. At least should have an idea.
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#40
10-26-2005, 02:26 PM
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Re: $33 Poll: 8 Left; 15/30 Blinds
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You didn't answer the question that was most important to your cause... [ QUOTE ] Lets say you raise his bet to 200 (140 back to him)as you mentioned. He cold calls you and the turn is a Q. He checks.... action? the pot is 490 now. What if he bets 200 into the pot on the turn instead of checking? [/ QUOTE ] It is soooooo important that you know what you will do before it happens. At least should have an idea. [/ QUOTE ] I would push. I don't put villian on an 8. If he calls, I put him on a pp lower than Q, in which case my hand is good.
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