44 raises limpers from the Button

[Entity]

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but against 5 RANDOM hands you've got less than a percent of equity,

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This is assuming every hand goes to the river, which isn't the case.

Rob

[Entity]

Hate,

p37, HEPFAP.

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If you are dead last -- that is, you are on the button -- and there are already callers, you can play hands in Groups 1-7. If you have a small pair and are against four or more callers, the correct play is to sometimes raise. This is another example of making the pot larger so that if you hit your hand, your opponents may be more inclined to call you with just overcards on the flop. In addition, they all may check to you, thus giving you a free card and another (small) chance to make your set. Also, this play is sometimes correct with small suited connectors. Again, don't get carried away with these plays. But making them occasionally can be very effective.

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[jason_t]

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You can use CDC hands to justify any play with any two cards on any street. I still don't see it, and the only times I see hands posted about such things, something hits on the flop or their 1 in 10 chance to set fills up by the river because they hit some crappy bd straight draw. As for Carmine's explanation checking through to see a free turn, you've got a 22:1 chance to set on the turn. Is paying another 1SB up front for the possibility of seeing a free turn really worth it?

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Preflop to turn, Hero is 5.45:1 to spike a set.

[DMBFan23]

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the correct play is to sometimes raise.

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yeah, no one is saying this is their standard line.

[hate]

5.45:1, and in a field like this, you just made a 5:1 raise on the definitely uncertain chance you're going to see a free turn. I guess I'm sort of coming around, maybe.

[CallMeIshmael]

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Building a pot that does well multiway? What, are you joking?

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No. I am not joking.

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Because right now, pokerstove is just about done dropping a load on your does well multiway explanation.

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There are many things I consider before I decide on how to play my hand preflop. They are:

1. How often it will win?
2. Can I make a straight?
3. Can I make a flush?
4. If I flop a pair, what are the chances of it being top? (ie. does it have betability)
5. Does it do well in small or big pots?
6. Does it do well in multiway or shorthanded pots?
7. How likely is a second-best hand to mine to be made?
8. How likely is it that I make a second-best hand to someone else?
9. If I have a pp: do I have odds to flop a set?
10. If I have a pp: What are the chances of flopping no overcards?

Pokerstove only addresses the first of these considerations. Its a great tool, but I'm not about to let it make all of my preflop choices for me.

Poker isnt hot and cold, and you have to consider that there are 3 more betting rounds before showdown.

This is important, as I think most people dont want to realize it:

IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ONE HAND TO WIN LESS OFTEN AT SHOWDOWN THAN ANOTHER, BUT STILL MAKE MORE MONEY.

POKERSTOVE EQUITY DOES NOT ALWAYS = PROFITABILTY.

[Chris Dow]

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Building a pot that does well multiway? What, are you joking?

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No. I am not joking.

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Because right now, pokerstove is just about done dropping a load on your does well multiway explanation.

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There are many things I consider before I decide on how to play my hand preflop. They are:

1. How often it will win?
2. Can I make a straight?
3. Can I make a flush?
4. If I flop a pair, what are the chances of it being top? (ie. does it have betability)
5. Does it do well in small or big pots?
6. Does it do well in multiway or shorthanded pots?
7. How likely is a second-best hand to mine to be made?
8. How likely is it that I make a second-best hand to someone else?
9. If I have a pp: do I have odds to flop a set?
10. If I have a pp: What are the chances of flopping no overcards?

Pokerstove only addresses the first of these considerations. Its a great tool, but I'm not about to let it make all of my preflop choices for me.

Poker isnt hot and cold, and you have to consider that there are 3 more betting rounds before showdown.

This is important, as I think most people dont want to realize it:

IT IS POSSIBLE FOR ONE HAND TO WIN LESS OFTEN AT SHOWDOWN THAN ANOTHER, BUT STILL MAKE MORE MONEY.

POKERSTOVE EQUITY DOES NOT ALWAYS = PROFITABILTY.

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I just like this post. People throw out the my hand vs x random hands at showdown stat out too often in this forum to justify preflop decisions.

[hate]

I don't like this post. It doesn't address the base issues of low pocket pairs. They do "well" in multiway pots because when they hit, they hit big. Quoting that "they do well multiway" because SSH said so is just as false as quoting pokerstove numbers as preflop considerations, and I utterly and 100% disagree with your fallacious and wrong argument that you're building a pot. I build a pot when I've got equity, and you don't have it here. Entity's arguments I can swallow, because your hit to implied odds is mitigated by other factors.

[CallMeIshmael]

Does well in multiway pots = entity's argument of bloating as a means to induce players to continue. Hands that do poorly in multiway pots (read: your AJo and your KTo) don't want to induce players to continue because they are so vulnerable. A set is a powerhouse.

They're the same argument. If you understand it said one way and you dont understand it said the other way, then it doesnt really matter, as long as you understand it said one way.

[pokerstudAA]

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I don't like this post.

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Why? Cause it makes you think?